Should I pay..Civil Enforcement Ltd?

taxiphil

It's irrelevant whether or not you're sat in the car at the time - penalty charges from private parking companies are legally unenforceable, end of story.

Be prepared for a chain of threatening letters but hold your nerve and completely ignore them - it's a total scam - they won't sue and there will be no adverse consequences for you.

Coupon-mad

benn5150 wrote: »

i too have had a enforcement notice for the coppins car park, gonna ignore it if i can get away with it. My girlfriend got one for the same car park again but we had not found this forum, so unfortunately she paid

I was sat in the car park waiting for a friend, and making some phone calls. So surely i would be classed as waiting rather than parked?

There is nothing to 'get away with'!

You need to stop thinking that you have committed any sort of offence, you haven't. The tickets are a scam and ignoring the debt collector letters will work.

Such a shame when we hear that people have actually paid these con-merchants.

pineapple123

Hi, wanted to bump the forum up abit as It seems CEL are very active.
its been a few weeks since my daughter recieved her notice of 'parking fine' and now am quite interested to see my daughters next demand.

Have been looking at other forums on the net and really the goverment should get its act together in stamping out these companies.

Sorry kiptower from consumeraction group forum for using your quote but I felt his quote posted a few days ago was spot on regarding contacting these people.

"as far as they are concerned when you reply your hooked, and they will keep writing

if you dont reply, their problem is they dont know who or what you are, and if you know your legal rights, by replying it tells them yuo dont know your actual legal rights

why the IGNORE is always the best route

HOWEVER that is ony for PPC tickets NOT COUNCIL / POLICE ones"

I thought the second paragraph made so much sense.

jamiestar5

Friday morning I received a second letter..................
'REMINDER' from Civil Enforcement saying I now owe £150.

"NOTICE BEFORE LEGAL ACTION"
---Stamped angled in top right hand corner in RED.

"Failure to pay the full amount within 7 days of this notice will result in us seeking a county court judgment against you. A warrant may then be issued to BAILIFFS to recover the amounts due, plus court fees bailiff cost and interest.

YOUR ABILTIY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE COULD BE AFFECTED"

Methods of payment blah blah blah blah!

Im tempted to send a Micky Mouse Cheque to the Micky MOuse Company , but will sit back and ignore waiting for next threatening letter......Adios keep you informed.:D

peter_the_piper

YOUR ABILTIY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE COULD BE AFFECTED"

This is the bit I like, mortgage finished(well nearly) Not interested in loans, don't buy on HP. They can go whistle.

Coupon-mad

peter_the_piper wrote: »

YOUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE COULD BE AFFECTED"

This is the bit I like, mortgage finished(well nearly) Not interested in loans, don't buy on HP. They can go whistle.

It's such a misleading sentence though isn't it? People could believe it and pay! :eek:

Of course it should say 'if you don't pay us £xxx (insert random stupidly-extortionate 3-figure penalty sum here) then we might take you to Court, and if we did, and if we won, and if you then did not pay up in good time - THEN your ability to obtain credit could be affected.

...But in fact we are never going to even think about actually taking you to Court because we don't have a hope of winning this case - we just hope our threatogram scares you and you are stupid enough to pay us.'

zmmh2002

hi
i recieved a letter from ::newlyn:: company that i have'nt paid the parking ticket penalty of river gate shopping centre irvine and it goes to 138 pounds .if i will not pay within 15 days thn they have 2 options .
1.. balif remove household and car from your property..?
2.. affect my credit rating..?
i phnd to river gate they are giving me the address of civil enforcement and newlyn has a job from rivergate shopping centre .... i m so confused plz give me advise...
this newlyn notice prior to county court proceedigs thats the main heading.

Coupon-mad

Read that letter again, it doesn't give 2 'actual' options.

It says something like 'if you don't pay we MAY take you to Court and IF we do then...blah blah...misleading mention of bailiffs...blah'.

They won't take you to Court! It's a standard threatogram to scare you.

Read the first thread here and see the examples of these letters, you could have saved yourself worry if you had found these scanned preview letters first (Newlyn letters and other debt collector letters are well-known in this scam):

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.html?f=163

Then when you've seen and learnt what stage in the letter-chain you are at, look ahead at the next one(s) so you don't read it and believe the hype like you almost did with this one!

Then read more threads about PPC scams, click on any thread after clicking the blue link, and read them to see how many people are in your shoes. It's becoming such a common scam. Read any thread that doesn't mention a proper Council ticket and their situation is the same as yours. Any PPC case is the same as yours and IMHO they are all scammers.

All posters on here are advised to ignore anything from a PPC or its agents - except real, signed/sealed Court papers - which will never arrive. Don't ring anyone and don't reply, don't appeal. Just do nothing because you haven't got a real 'fine' there, it's an unwarranted demand for money.

The scam just stops when they give up and realise you haven't fallen for the scary read ink, bold typeface and debt collector/solicitor headed notepaper!

Oh and finally, read my other post immediately above yours here - that's a fair translation of the letter you have there, and of any similar threatograms which follow.

fluffnutter

I'm going to start fining people who look through my window. I'll run out, issue them with a penalty notice, and make it clear that if they don't pay me, I may increase the fine exponentially, refer it to a debt collection agency, send round some heavies and ultimately take them to court.

After all, they broke the rules didn't they.

It's nothing but extortion, people. I'm amazed it's still legal.

Clucksy

We've also just received the 2nd letter - naturally we are ignoring it and waiting with bated breath to see what pretty colour the 3rd one will be...

Also - again a letter with no company registration information, quoting threats of CCJs and bailiffs. As far as I'm aware CCJs do not exist in Scotland and if they took these cases to small claims in the local Sheriff Courts they would cost CEL £65 to gain back £75. Another reason to ignore the letters!