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OK, I had a bit of time on my hands today ;-)
It's not a good way to present the info, I'm afraid. It really needs to be tabular, but I can't work out how the hell to do that, so this will do for now - I think there's too much info here NOT to share straight away!
Anyway, below are (hoepfully) a few posts distilling all the price info posted on this thread to date. If I can work out HOW to tabulated and post it, I will. If not, I might try to stick it on a website somewhere and post a link.
But for now..... enjoy :-)
Price data posted 2008
======================
Post Date: 16/12/08
Posted By: nc73
Supply Date: 16/12/08
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.95
--
Post Date: 12/12/08
Posted By: Solybananas
Supply Date: 08/03/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 30.29
--
Post Date: 12/12/08
Posted By: Solybananas
Supply Date: 12/12/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 44.79
--
Post Date: 03/12/08
Posted By: midnight007
Supply Date: 03/12/07
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 35.15
Location: Wisbeach
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Post Date: 03/12/08
Posted By: midnight007
Supply Date: 03/11/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Spot Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 48.9
Location: Wisbeach
--
Post Date: 03/12/08
Posted By: molokoid
Supply Date: 03/12/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 34.65
Annual Usage: 6000
Location: Sotham Warks
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Post Date: 18/11/08
Posted By: ironnick
Supply Date: 14/12/07
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 18/11/08
Posted By: ironnick
Supply Date: 18/11/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.65
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: 47.6
--
Post Date: 03/11/08
Posted By: ewazix
Supply Date: 03/11/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 48
Annual Usage: 6000
Location: Somerset
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Post Date: 29/10/08
Posted By: Eastindiman
Supply Date: 29/10/08
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.6
Annual Usage: 7000
--
Post Date: 21/10/08
Posted By: dlyn
Supply Date: < 31-08-2008
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 46
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 21/10/08
Posted By: dlyn
Supply Date: > 31-08-2008
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 37
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Lancs
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Post Date: 18/10/08
Posted By: treeshark
Supply Date: 18/03/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.15
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
--
Post Date: 18/10/08
Posted By: treeshark
Supply Date: 18/03/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 47.1
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
--
Post Date: 02/10/08
Posted By: msmo
Supply Date: < 02/10/2008
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.15
--
Post Date: 02/10/08
Posted By: msmo
Supply Date: > 02/10/2008
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 47.1
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Post Date: 26/09/08
Posted By: johntb
Supply Date: 26/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 45.75
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 52
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Post Date: 11/09/08
Posted By: Denis0151
Supply Date: 11/09/08
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.45
--
Post Date: 11/09/08
Posted By: Denis0151
Supply Date: 11/09/08
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
--
Post Date: 11/09/08
Posted By: Denis0151
Supply Date: 11/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 46.25
--
Post Date: 11/09/08
Posted By: Denis0151
Supply Date: 11/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 43.25
--
Post Date: 11/09/08
Posted By: Denis0151
Supply Date: 11/03/09
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.95
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Post Date: 10/09/08
Posted By: She2656
Supply Date: 10/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 51.5
--
Post Date: 09/09/08
Posted By: llwyd
Supply Date: 05/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 46.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 53.5
--
Post Date: 09/09/08
Posted By: russh
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 35.65
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Post Date: 06/09/08
Posted By: richynysmon
Supply Date: 06/09/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.19
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 41
--
Post Date: 06/09/08
Posted By: chickenpete
Supplier: Flogas
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.25
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 41
--
Post Date: 12/07/08
Posted By: cairndog
Supply Date: 12/07/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.65
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 5000
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Post Date: 30/06/08
Posted By: abigbill
Supply Date: 30/06/08
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 52
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 45.5
Price Cap: n/a
Annual Usage: 7700
Location: Bucks
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Post Date: 30/06/08
Posted By: abigbill
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.9
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OK, I had a bit of time on my hands today ;-)
It's not a good way to present the info, I'm afraid. It really needs to be tabular, but I can't work out how the hell to do that, so this will do for now - I think there's too much info here NOT to share straight away!
Anyway, below are (hoepfully) a few posts distilling all the price info posted on this thread to date. If I can work out HOW to tabulated and post it, I will. If not, I might try to stick it on a website somewhere and post a link.
But for now..... enjoy :-)
Price data posted 2009
======================
Post Date: 22/12/09
Posted By: Retirer
Supply Date: 22/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 86.3
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/6mth
Location: Crewe
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Post Date: 22/12/09
Posted By: Sue Tilley
Supply Date: 22/12/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 41
--
Post Date: 22/12/09
Posted By: Retirer
Supply Date: 22/12/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 32
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3ppl/6mth
Location: Crewe
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Post Date: 18/12/09
Posted By: longforgotten
Supply Date: 18/12/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 32
--
Post Date: 18/12/09
Posted By: longforgotten
Supply Date: 18/12/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 56
--
Post Date: 13/12/09
Posted By: JohnWorc
Supply Date: 05/12/09
Supplier: LPG Home Heat
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 34.5
Location: Worcestershire
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Post Date: 13/12/09
Posted By: meagan
Supply Date: 13/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 42
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
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Post Date: 09/12/09
Posted By: x-x
Supply Date: 09/12/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
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Post Date: 01/12/09
Posted By: willurg
Supply Date: 01/12/09
Supplier: Callow Gas (Droitwich)
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.95
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Post Date: 01/12/09
Posted By: willurg
Supply Date: Early 09
Supplier: Callow Gas (Droitwich)
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 33.5
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Post Date: 30/11/09
Posted By: exiledtyke
Supply Date: 07/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 43.4
Location: Berkshire
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Post Date: 28/11/09
Posted By: cairndog
Supply Date: 07/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.4
Location: Kent
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Post Date: 27/11/09
Posted By: Historian
Supply Date: 07/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.15
Location: Suffolk
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Post Date: 27/11/09
Posted By: annscullamus
Supply Date: 07/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.4
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Post Date: 24/10/09
Posted By: longforgotten
Supply Date: 24/10/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 32
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
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Post Date: 23/10/09
Posted By: budgie123
Supply Date: 23/10/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 66.15
Location: SW Scotland
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Post Date: 02/09/09
Posted By: heather8
Supply Date: 02/09/09
Supplier: BDS Fuesl
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: W Yorks
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Post Date: 02/09/09
Posted By: heather8
Supply Date: 02/09/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.4
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: W Yorks
--
Post Date: 02/09/09
Posted By: heather8
Supply Date: 02/09/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Location: W Yorks
--
Post Date: 02/09/09
Posted By: heather8
Supply Date: 02/09/09
Supplier: Norther Gas Supplies
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 76.65
Location: W Yorks
--
Post Date: 02/09/09
Posted By: heather8
Supply Date: 02/09/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 37
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: W Yorks
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Post Date: 30/08/09
Posted By: cairndog
Supply Date: 10/03/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.98
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Kent
--
Post Date: 28/08/09
Posted By: shicks
Supply Date: 28/08/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33.3
--
Post Date: 24/08/09
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 24/08/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.2
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 62.3
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
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Post Date: 24/08/09
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 24/10/08
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 44.25
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 62.3
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
--
Post Date: 24/08/09
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 01/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 62.3
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
--
Post Date: 24/08/09
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 24/08/09
Supplier: Discount Gas Supplies (Doncaster)
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 62.3
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
--
Post Date: 24/08/09
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 24/08/09
Supplier: Discount Gas Supplies (Doncaster)
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 36
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 62.3
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
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Post Date: 21/08/09
Posted By: snafu
Supply Date: 01/07/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 21/08/09
Posted By: snafu
Supply Date: 01/07/09
Supplier: n/a
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 21/08/09
Posted By: snafu
Supply Date: 08/07/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 44.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 28/07/09
Posted By: abigbill
Supply Date: 28/07/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 45.5
Annual Usage: 8000
Location: Bucks
--
Post Date: 20/07/09
Posted By: overide
Supply Date: 20/07/09
Supplier: Discount Gas Supplies (Doncaster)
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 2500
Location: Louth Lincs
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Post Date: 15/07/09
Posted By: overide
Supply Date: 15/07/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.58
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Annual Usage: 2500
--
Post Date: 11/07/09
Posted By: brandeberryj
Supply Date: 11/07/09
Supplier: Discount Gas Supplies (Doncaster)
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Louth Lincs
--
Post Date: 11/07/09
Posted By: brandeberryj
Supply Date: 11/07/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.89
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Louth Lincs
--
Post Date: 07/07/09
Posted By: ewazix
Supply Date: 07/07/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 70
Location: Somerset
--
Post Date: 07/07/09
Posted By: ewazix
Supply Date: 07/07/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 50
Location: Somerset
--
Post Date: 17/05/09
Posted By: rendor
Supply Date: 17/05/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 45
Annual Usage: 2000
Location: Southam Warks
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Post Date: 17/05/09
Posted By: rendor
Supply Date: 2005/2009
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Annual Usage: 2000
Location: Southam Warks
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Post Date: 08/05/09
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 08/05/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.9
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Royston Herts
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Post Date: 08/05/09
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 08/05/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 71.75
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Royston Herts
--
Post Date: 08/05/09
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 08/05/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Royston Herts
--
Post Date: 08/05/09
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 08/05/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Royston Herts
--
Post Date: 08/05/09
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 08/05/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 82
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Royston Herts
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Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 70
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 30
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 230(?)
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 71.55
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: HBS Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 30
Location: Hampshire
--
Post Date: 27/04/09
Posted By: Zeph
Supply Date: 20/04/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Hampshire
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Post Date: 08/04/09
Posted By: ironnick
Supply Date: 08/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.15
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 08/04/09
Posted By: ironnick
Supply Date: 08/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 96
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: East Sussex
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Post Date: 07/04/09
Posted By: paulpod
Supply Date: 07/04/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 76.65
--
Post Date: 07/04/09
Posted By: TheBead
Supply Date: 07/04/09
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 41.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 10ppl/6month
--
Post Date: 06/04/09
Posted By: frankie
Supply Date: 06/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
--
Post Date: 02/04/09
Posted By: Choccy
Supply Date: 02/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.4
Annual Usage: 1500
--
Post Date: 01/04/09
Posted By: mummyrecycling
Supply Date: 01/04/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Renewal
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.9
--
Post Date: 27/01/09
Posted By: Rut-h
Supply Date: 27/01/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 47.5
--
Post Date: 20/01/09
Posted By: garyrothwell
Supply Date: 20/01/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 37
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 45.5
Annual Usage: 4000
--
Post Date: 20/01/09
Posted By: garyrothwell
Supply Date: < 20/01/2009
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 49
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 45.5
Annual Usage: 4000
--
Post Date: 14/01/09
Posted By: theguru
Supply Date: 14/01/09
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 44.95
--
Post Date: 12/01/09
Posted By: bikingback
Supply Date: 12/01/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.14
0 -
OK, I had a bit of time on my hands today ;-)
It's not a good way to present the info, I'm afraid. It really needs to be tabular, but I can't work out how the hell to do that, so this will do for now - I think there's too much info here NOT to share straight away!
Anyway, below are (hoepfully) a few posts distilling all the price info posted on this thread to date. If I can work out HOW to tabulated and post it, I will. If not, I might try to stick it on a website somewhere and post a link.
But for now..... enjoy :-)
Price data posted 2010
======================
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: MaritzUK
Supply Date: 01/07/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 47.5
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Tunbridge Wells Kent
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Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: Bosun
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 48.9
Location: Canterbury Kent
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: MaritzUK
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.9
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Tunbridge Wells Kent
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: The Hornet
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.5
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: MaritzUK
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 44.9
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Tunbridge Wells Kent
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: The Hornet
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.2
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: MaritzUK
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Tunbridge Wells Kent
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: squelch41
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 48
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: The Hornet
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Lister Gases
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.5
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: MaritzUK
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Tunbridge Wells Kent
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: The Hornet
Supply Date: 12/11/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.5
Annual Usage: 3000
--
Post Date: 12/11/10
Posted By: The Hornet
Supply Date: 19/11/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.2
--
Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/01/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Location: Monmouthshire
--
Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/06/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 33
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
--
Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/11/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
--
Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/01/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.4
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
--
Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/03/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 40.2
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
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Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/10/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 43.7
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
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Post Date: 11/11/10
Posted By: drfrot
Supply Date: 01/11/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.2
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 50
Location: Monmouthshire
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Post Date: 09/11/10
Posted By: mixit1
Supply Date: 01/11/09
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 45
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Post Date: 09/11/10
Posted By: mixit1
Supply Date: 01/11/09
Supplier: Flogas (via Mole Valley)
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 30
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Post Date: 09/11/10
Posted By: mixit1
Supply Date: 02/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
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Post Date: 09/11/10
Posted By: mixit1
Supply Date: 09/11/10
Supplier: Flogas (via Mole Valley)
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 41
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Post Date: 05/11/10
Posted By: GrandadRob
Supply Date: 05/11/10
Supplier: Carver Gases
Price Type: Quote
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 170
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Post Date: 04/11/10
Posted By: Historian
Supply Date: 15/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.65
Location: Suffolk
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Post Date: 04/11/10
Posted By: frankie
Supply Date: 15/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 41.4
Location: SE Cornwall48.9
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Post Date: 04/11/10
Posted By: welshsue
Supply Date: 15/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 45.9
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Post Date: 02/11/10
Posted By: HateLPG
Supply Date: 01/09/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Renewal Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.65
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/3mth
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: N Yorks
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Post Date: 02/11/10
Posted By: HateLPG
Supply Date: 01/09/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3ppl/6mth
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: N Yorks
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Post Date: 01/11/10
Posted By: aureole
Supply Date: 01/11/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 49
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Post Date: 01/11/10
Posted By: mitchy74
Supply Date: 01/11/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 48.5
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Post Date: 01/11/10
Posted By: aureole
Supply Date: 01/11/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3ppl/6mth
Annual Usage: 2000
Location: Cambs
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Post Date: 31/10/10
Posted By: x-x
Supply Date: 01/08/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
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Post Date: 31/10/10
Posted By: PhilCS
Supply Date: 31/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 49
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 48
Location: Carmarthernshire
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Post Date: 31/10/10
Posted By: x-x
Supply Date: 31/10/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 42
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
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Post Date: 23/10/10
Posted By: Rosyglow1
Supply Date: 23/10/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 46.1
Annual Usage: 1500
Location: South Wales
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Post Date: 23/10/10
Posted By: lamplighter2
Supply Date: 23/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
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Post Date: 23/10/10
Posted By: Rosyglow1
Supply Date: 23/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
Annual Usage: 1500
Location: South Wales
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Post Date: 15/10/10
Posted By: mitchy74
Supply Date: 15/10/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 32.5
Price Cap: 3ppl/6mth
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Post Date: 12/10/10
Posted By: longforgotten
Supply Date: 01/09/09
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 32
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Post Date: 12/10/10
Posted By: longforgotten
Supply Date: 12/10/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
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Post Date: 11/10/10
Posted By: Den2Mark
Supply Date: 11/10/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 48
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Post Date: 11/10/10
Posted By: Den2Mark
Supply Date: 11/10/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 01/10/08
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 40
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 01/04/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 43
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 09/10/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 09/10/10
Supplier: Cambrian Gas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 41.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 40
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 09/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 75
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 09/10/10
Posted By: collie4
Supply Date: 09/10/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Renewal Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Annual Usage: 5000
Location: Wirral
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Post Date: 07/10/10
Posted By: mbga9pgf
Supply Date: 07/10/10
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.95
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 40
Location: Gloucestershire
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Post Date: 05/10/10
Posted By: plasticprincess2
Supply Date: 05/10/10
Supplier: Lister Gases
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 38
Annual Usage: 3000
Location: Midlands
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Post Date: 04/10/10
Posted By: GrandadRob
Supply Date: 04/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Renewal Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 50
--
Post Date: 01/10/10
Posted By: jimmyboy1980
Supply Date: 01/10/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 64
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Post Date: 30/09/10
Posted By: GrandadRob
Supply Date: 30/09/10
Supplier: Callow Gas (Droitwich)
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.9
Location: North Herefordshire
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Post Date: 30/09/10
Posted By: GrandadRob
Supply Date: 30/09/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: North Herefordshire
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Post Date: 30/09/10
Posted By: danlojo
Supply Date: 30/09/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.4
Location: Lincs
--
Post Date: 28/09/10
Posted By: LPG customer
Supply Date: 28/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 45
--
Post Date: 27/09/10
Posted By: blueboy1977
Supply Date: 27/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 51.68
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 63.65
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Post Date: 27/09/10
Posted By: blueboy1977
Supply Date: 27/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 42
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 63.65
--
Post Date: 27/09/10
Posted By: blueboy1977
Supply Date: 27/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
--
Post Date: 27/09/10
Posted By: GrandadRob
Supply Date: 27/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 63.78
Location: North Herefordshire
--
Post Date: 26/09/10
Posted By: LittleVermin
Supply Date: 01/09/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.96
Location: Mid Cornwall
--
Post Date: 25/09/10
Posted By: mullercow
Supply Date: 25/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 62
--
Post Date: 25/09/10
Posted By: mullercow
Supply Date: 25/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 68
--
Post Date: 21/09/10
Posted By: Bruce GT3
Supply Date: 01/08/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/6 mths
Location: Bedfordshire
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Post Date: 21/09/10
Posted By: Bruce GT3
Supply Date: 01/06/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 47.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/6 mths
Location: Bedfordshire
--
Post Date: 21/09/10
Posted By: Bruce GT3
Supply Date: 07/12/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 42.4
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/6 mths
Location: Bedfordshire
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Post Date: 09/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 09/09/10
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.45
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 40
Price Cap: 2.5ppl/6 mths
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 09/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 09/09/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 46.9
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 09/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 09/09/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 39.96
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 65
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 09/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 09/09/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 09/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 09/09/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 07/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 07/09/10
Supplier: BP
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.95
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 07/09/10
Posted By: lpgrrrrr
Supply Date: 07/09/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 49.5
Location: Surrey
--
Post Date: 09/08/10
Posted By: jimmyboy1980
Supply Date: 09/08/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.9
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Gloucestershire
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Post Date: 09/08/10
Posted By: jimmyboy1980
Supply Date: 09/08/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.94
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Gloucestershire
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Post Date: 09/08/10
Posted By: jimmyboy1980
Supply Date: 09/08/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 64
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 145.74
Location: Gloucestershire
--
Post Date: 08/08/10
Posted By: LittleVermin
Supply Date: 08/08/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 36.94
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Mid Cornwall
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Post Date: 21/05/10
Posted By: brandeberryj
Supply Date: 21/05/10
Supplier: Energas
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 37
Location: Louth Lincs
--
Post Date: 21/05/10
Posted By: brandeberryj
Supply Date: 21/05/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 37.44
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Location: Louth Lincs
--
Post Date: 05/04/10
Posted By: LittleVermin
Supply Date: 05/04/10
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 55
Location: Mid Cornwall
--
Post Date: 26/03/10
Posted By: ancillotti
Supply Date: 01/05/09
Supplier: LPG Home Heat
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
--
Post Date: 26/03/10
Posted By: ancillotti
Supply Date: 01/11/09
Supplier: LPG Home Heat
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 49
--
Post Date: 18/03/10
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 01/02/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 48.8
--
Post Date: 18/03/10
Posted By: Tweetinat
Supply Date: 01/02/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 32.8
--
Post Date: 18/03/10
Posted By: alexjj
Supply Date: 18/03/10
Supplier: Shell
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 35
--
Post Date: 11/02/10
Posted By: JohnJones323
Supply Date: 04/02/09
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 34.5
--
Post Date: 11/02/10
Posted By: JohnJones323
Supply Date: 01/12/09
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Spot Price
ppl [ex VAT]: 26.5
--
Post Date: 10/02/10
Posted By: kelsapoppy
Supply Date: 10/02/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Location: S Wales
--
Post Date: 10/02/10
Posted By: kelsapoppy
Supply Date: 10/02/10
Supplier: Countrywide Farmers
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 34
Location: S Wales
--
Post Date: 09/02/10
Posted By: Pukka
Supply Date: 08/01/10
Supplier: Premiere
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 37
Location: Lancs
--
Post Date: 09/02/10
Posted By: lpg
Supply Date: 09/02/10
Supplier: Extra Fuels
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 41.06
--
Post Date: 08/02/10
Posted By: steved2468
Supply Date: 08/02/10
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Quote
ppl [ex VAT]: 38.5
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 60
Price Cap: 3.5ppl/6 mth
--
Post Date: 08/02/10
Posted By: steved2468
Supply Date: 08/02/10
Supplier: Flogas
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 56
Tank Rental (£/p.a.): 40
--
Post Date: 07/02/10
Posted By: kelsapoppy
Supply Date: 01/12/09
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Current
ppl [ex VAT]: 49
Location: S Wales
--
Post Date: 07/02/10
Posted By: kelsapoppy
Supply Date: 07/02/10
Supplier: BP
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 55
Location: S Wales
--
Post Date: 17/01/10
Posted By: Steve17
Supply Date: 11/01/10
Supplier: Discount Gas Supplies (Doncaster)
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 41.5
Location: Lincs/Notts Border
--
Post Date: 02/01/10
Posted By: Splott Boy
Supply Date: 01/11/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: New
ppl [ex VAT]: 39
Location: Cardiff
--
Post Date: 02/01/10
Posted By: Splott Boy
Supply Date: 14/12/09
Supplier: Calor
Price Type: Price Change
ppl [ex VAT]: 42
Location: Cardiff
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I live in lincolnshire and signed a contract with calor sept 2010.Para 6.2 reads
If any price rise exceeds 3.5 in ANY 6MTHS PERIOD I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT.etc I am hoping this means through the whole 2 yrs0 -
I live in lincolnshire and signed a contract with calor sept 2010.Para 6.2 reads
If any price rise exceeds 3.5 in ANY 6MTHS PERIOD I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT.etc I am hoping this means through the whole 2 yrs
I cannot see how this clause would NOT cover ANY 6 month period in the 2 years.
Is there a later clause which says that if you end the contract early you have to pay Calor to remove their tank? Or some other way for Calor to make money for anything other than selling you gas and renting their tank? [I don't think charging for tank removal would be upheld as you'd be out of contract - and therefore Calor would have to sell it to your new supplier - or remove it for free].0 -
Hello all - my first post here!
Moved into a house in Kent, near Tunbridge Wells, in July that had an existing underground LPG tank owned by Calor. They wrote to me just after we moved in offering 47.5p/l. I have to admit I sat on the letter until now as the tank was 40% full when we moved in (yes, we paid the previous occupant for the LPG!).
Anyway, today I realised we're down to 20% left and so I'd better pull my finger out and get a contract in place. Went to the uklpg.org site and the following companies came up for this area (with prices I've just got from them this morning):
Flogas 39p/l
BP - don't deal with underground tanks(!?)
Extra Fuel 44.9p/l
Shell 38.5p/l
Called Calor and told them their price on the contract they sent three months ago wasn't very competitive and they've dropped it to 39.9p/l
They all seem to have fairly similar contract terms (i.e. price rises capped at 3p or 3.5p in each 6 month period) and standing charges within £25pa of each other, so I've got Shell coming out to do a survey next week.
All of the above just for your info really - might be of particular interest to you, Bosun!
EDIT: forgot, Shell reckoned the two of us in the house would use about 3000 litres per year - does this sound about right?
Thanks for the reply - I think I need to shop around for my next delivery!
FYI I have kept a spreadsheet for several years now for gas consumption for our fair sized 5 bed detached house with 5/6 occupants. Over the last 9yrs we have averaged 3300l/yr for both heating and all hot water and our first delivery was at 22.9p/l in 2001.0 -
I live in lincolnshire and signed a contract with calor sept 2010.Para 6.2 reads
If any price rise exceeds 3.5 in ANY 6MTHS PERIOD I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT.etc I am hoping this means through the whole 2 yrs
Meagan, this means EXACTLY what it says. And remember, if you stay with the supplier BEYOND the MINIMUM 2yr contract period, this clause is STILL binding unless you have signed a NEW contract - another reason to look VERY carefully at the small print before accepting Calor's £100 renewal "incentive", as I believe the CURRENT cap is 3.5ppl per THREE months.
Note that what they are offering is a RIGHT TO CANCEL, not a commitement to honour the price, and to invoke this clause you have to inform them (I would suggest in WRITING) within (if memory serves) 30 days of the date of the price rise (check that bit carefully). During the notice period, I believe the contract states that they will honour the pre-increase price. One word of caution - make sure that you actually CAN get a better deal from an alternative supplier before you put them on notice of cancellation as you want to do a tank TRANSFER to your new supplier on termination of your contract or you might get stung by uplift charges etc.
I have posted on this subject a few times and it pays to keep a track of all price rises carefully.
For example, assuming you signed on 1st Jan, and they then hit you with a 3.5ppl rise on 1 July (i.e. after SEVEN months - fat chance, but it has been known
) then they can't hit you with ANOTHER rise for a further six months (i.e. until the following Feb).
Also, if you sign on 1st Jan, and then get hit with (for example) 1ppl in June, 1ppl in July, and 1.5ppl in August, they then can't increase the price again until the following Jan, and then ONLY by 1ppl (or they will have exceeded the 3.5ppl in any 6 month period clause). I hope that makes sense - it often helps to write it all down in a table.
One thing I will warn, however is that (in my experience) Calor will try every trip in the book to wriggle out of this, from the "Sorry, but you have to understand that prices have gone up more than we expected/for reasons beyond our control" twaddle, to the "No clause 6.4 DOESN'T actually say that" rubbish via the "Please understand that we have no control over wholesale pricing so please accept this £50 "goodwill" gesture to just shut up and go away" line.
If you ARE in this situation, stick to your guns, do EVERYTHING in WRITING and keep records. After several attempts you might have to resort to the "If I don't get any satisfaction on this within the next 28 days, I will refer this to the OFT/CC/MP line" at which point they will magically crumble.
Good luck
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LittleVermin wrote: »I cannot see how this clause would NOT cover ANY 6 month period in the 2 years.
Is there a later clause which says that if you end the contract early you have to pay Calor to remove their tank? Or some other way for Calor to make money for anything other than selling you gas and renting their tank? [I don't think charging for tank removal would be upheld as you'd be out of contract - and therefore Calor would have to sell it to your new supplier - or remove it for free].
Yes it does say i would have to pay for uplift of tank but surely this would not be in their interests to go to such lenghts.I also forgot to mention my price was 37p0 -
Yes it does say i would have to pay for uplift of tank but surely this would not be in their interests to go to such lenghts.I also forgot to mention my price was 37p
I think it's a scare tactic, to make you THINK you might be liable for a charge therefore sigh deeply and accept that you might just be better off staying with them!
As far as I am aware, under the CC rulings, they can NOT charge uplift if you are transferring to another supplier (technically, your NEW supplier buys the tank from your old supplier, but as a consumer, that should be seamless and transparent and is really not your problem to worry about)
As I understand it, the only way you will get hit with an uplift charge is if you choose to completely terminate your LPG supply (e.g. you have given up on LPG entirely and are having a completely different non-LPG heating system installed).
To be honest, if I was in that situation, UNLESS I wanted to get rid of the tank for aesthetic reasons, I'd make sure I had an LPG hob (they're THE best thing you can get to cook on anyway - most of the top restaurants use bottled LPG) and use the LPG JUST for that. Unless you're a budding Heston Blumenthal, one complete fill would probably last you several years and you'd avoid the whole disruption and cost of the uplift :-)0 -
Hi HateLPG,
Very useful to have all the data in one place, so thanks for your posting. As you say having it in a table would be good. Thinking about it, in a spreadsheet would be even better; and maybe best of all if everyone could add to the spreadsheet in order to keep it up to date.
Did you get anywhere with making a table of it?
One possibility could be to put it in a Google Documents Spreadsheet that is public on the web, where it could be updated.0
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