What has happened to this forum?!!!

IveSeenTheLight

SquatNow wrote: »

Compared to renting, "buying is dead money"...?

I do so hate generalisations.
Whilst the above quote may be true in some areas it is not accross the whole of the UK.
On a positive note, I now realise how to spot a post as a potential spiral flame and will quietly walk away from them.
:beer:

**NOTE** Not that I have attacked or abused any poster, although there was one who read some of my posts as abusive which definately was not the intention.

I think some people just like to argue about anything and will take some parts of posts out of context with what the poster intended them to be for

pickledpink

I seldom post on MSE anymore due to the few members who delight in being rude and offensive. My theory is that they have too much time on their hands, and no-one in their life who they can take their misery out on. The OH's probably did a runner years ago.

It always tickles me how angry they get when when they read about a stranger who has more than they have.....................jealousy isn't going to butter their bread!

If they took all that free time they had and started looking for ways to earn some extra dosh they might not feel so deprived.

As it happens, I don't think these regular abusers actually need a sizeable property; they may just as well live in a cupboard with enough room for a PC, considering they spend their whole day (and night) banging away at their keyboards!!! I doubt they even see the light of day.

It often makes for very uncomfortable reading - knowing there are people out there eaten up with envy and hate. Or just plain horrible and rude.

I suspect in real life they're rather like those weedy, dull, drab bespectacled men who shuffle around in musty bookshops in their grubby raincoats and polyester trousers (that hang just above the ankle) - and who fantasise about being James Bond.

For all their bravado and aggression they'd probably only be able to squeak at you if you met them in the street. The internet is how these mousy squeakers and grey men can live out their fantasy of being someone to be reckoned with. LOL:rotfl:

carolt

Pobby wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.broderick
Don't make it personal carol, you strike me as someone manipulative.
It's nothing to do with falling prices, in fact i doubt anyone gives a hoot, massive gains, massive falls, who gives a toss. It's just the way you operate you are very unlikable and that is that, nothing to do with the current economic climate.


Well I for one rather like carolt !!!!

Thanks Pobby!

The simple fact is that I am aware that the abusive posts I get are nothing more than an attempt at good old-fashioned bullying - I post well-reasoned arguments about house prices falling, which upsets those who stand to lose out. If you look at those who thanked negative posts against me, you will note that, surprise, surprise, with only 1 exception I think, they are all BTL landlords.

MSE is not a popularity contest, and TBH I doubt many of those posting abusive posts against me are exactly people I'd ever want to be friends with in real life!

I am sure the abuse I get must terrify* some would-be posters as it takes a brave man/woman to continue to post in that environment. (*Which is of course the aim.)

I will not be deterred however - if some find my posts annoying, they are more than welcome to (a) not read them (b) not read threads started by me (c) not respond to my posts or (d) put me on ignore, so they never have to come up against my posts.

I will continue to post whensoever I chose. Otherwise we risk ending up in a situation where the only people posting are those with extremely vested interests in talking up the market; which would potentially be very problematic for a site like mse which needs to represent all views (including the mainstream one - that prices are about to fall).

I would urge everyone, of whatever persuasion, to post whatever they please - this needs to represent all opinions. Agree, trudiha, that posts to people buying now can be aggressive; I'm not aware that any of mine have ever fallen into this category, but have seen it happen. That kind of bullying is no more acceptable than the bullying posts to me have been. Pointing out (politely) that financially they are likely to lose money is a different matter, however; on a money saving site you are going to get these replies (and I have certainly posted them myself).

Hopefully, we can see a more reasoned debate on both sides.

As per my first thread on this thread, however, I sadly doubt it will happen; in a falling market, it is likely to get more rather than less bad-tempered. Very sad, but probably true.

Hope I'm proved wrong on this and that good manners will prevail.

I'll now sit back and wait for the dozens of personal attacks and bullying posts to follow....... Yawn...... :rolleyes:

Davesnave

Pobby wrote: »

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Well I for one rather like carolt !!!!

Yep, me too..... Not only that, but she can puntuate, knows her it's from her its and definately never looses her trian of thorhght! :rotfl:

dopester

pickledpink wrote: »

load of drivel

Why don't you quote up just one post from any thread at MSE where you've felt the poster deserves such a portrayal?

To be honest, your entire post is pretty dark and twisted in itself. Forums can be the purest form of debate - and all too often when people find their position weakened they resort to "keyboard warrior" insults, or go on some cheap weak diversion about the other person needing to "get out more", or like you have done... an entirely negative barrage of drivel, where you're imagining bad things to cheer yourself up.

Pretty immature and cheap and nasty. The mark of someone with limited cognative ability.

adr0ck

its not you thats being bullied carolt, you are the bully (with most of the other hpcrashers)

almost every single time i post on the house price forum i get ripped into

usually by posters such as yourselves who feel the need to put me down because i don't believe that house prices will crash over 50% this year

the hpcrashers on this forum easily outnumber those such as myself who feel house prices will fall between 10 - 20% this year

mitchaa

There are too many keyboard warriors on MSE.

I can pretty much guarantee that the same people if they were face to face with you would act like a little mouse, sit in the corner and not say a word. The internet gives them a false sense of security to come out their shell.

You can get your point across yes, but to then try and belittle/abuse someone to make you feel better and get your point across more, it just shows weakness on your behalf and an immaturity level that should have been left behind some 20/30/40/50 yrs ago in the playground.

If you dont agree with 50%+ 1 year falls in the market you are ripped into like you are a complete moron.

Its all down to immaturity and weakness if you feel the need to try and belittle someone over an intenet forum.

It doesn't say much about you as a person does it:rolleyes: Whats wrong with using the ''I disagree with you on that because''.. or, ''i think you're wrong because''....Instead of the usual....''You are a complete fcuking retard you stupid imbecile''

I get in many arguments on here but have never once risen to the bait of the immature by posting something rude back in retaliation.

Rise above the weak that feel the need to do it.

There are many big players that have already posted in this thread that are indeed that.....WEAK!!!

Civilized discussion, a level head and you will come across 100 times better than lowering yourself to playground bullying tactics.

Over and out:D

mitchaa

carolt wrote: »

I am sure the abuse I get must terrify* some would-be posters as it takes a brave man/woman to continue to post in that environment. (*Which is of course the aim.)

I'll now sit back and wait for the dozens of personal attacks and bullying posts to follow....... Yawn...... :rolleyes:

Carolt...I must say you are 1 of the people i 1st thought of when i read the term internet bully.

I agree with adrock

I have read some pretty foul posts coming from yourself. Perhaps they were in retaliation to something but instead of dropping down to the bully level in retaliation can you not rise above it and give that same person a mature civilized response?

It will give you far much more credibility. As soon as you cross that line of matching a personal attack back in a tit for tat, you lose all respect instantly.

If you dont agree with something, you shouldn't go down the route of trying to belittle them with your opinion.

IMO anyway

barnaby-bear

adr0ck wrote: »

its not you thats being bullied carolt, you are the bully (with most of the other hpcrashers)

almost every single time i post on the house price forum i get ripped into

usually by posters such as yourselves who feel the need to put me down because i don't believe that house prices will crash over 50% this year

the hpcrashers on this forum easily outnumber those such as myself who feel house prices will fall between 10 - 20% this year

I personally believe houseprices will fall and would welcome it.

Carolt however is really REALLY annoying in her constant undermining of my values and choices and belief that I am stupid or 'do not' understand.

Right Carol:
- I CHOSE to buy a house regardless of the economic market because it's the right time in our lives.
- We can afford a fall in prices, rise in rates, have a lowish LTV, we have jobs assured long term, we AREN'T taking a big risk, we have back up and contingency plans. No we aren't deluded.
- Despite your protests we *do* live in a volitle area of housing shortage, where private rentals are very difficult to access long term, LL do often ban kids and pets, sell up, notice at two months does happen (and not because we were bad tenants as you snottily implied) and competition for rentals is high
- We VALUE our home as just that not an investment - we happily would pay a few thousand extra a year or more because we can afford and want to.

Just because you put a few hundred quid above stability for your family or because you live in a bountiful rental stock area full of great landlords has no bearing on our situation.

I'm sorry the housing market is such that you feel to jealous/bitter that the only way you feel you may access a home is by belittling other people only slightly higher up the tree. Regardless of economic cycles people have personal timescales and have to get on with their lives/move, have personal circumstances (have to get off sink estate etc).

Please stop trying to justify your lifestyle choices and priorities by rubbishing everyone elses. It's a bit sad and tedious. If you are so desperate for a home of your own why not focus on getting a better/second job and do something to put yourself in a better situation regardless of macro-economics rather than waste time on the internet playing the victim.

barnaby-bear

carolt wrote: »

Thanks Pobby!

The simple fact is that I am aware that the abusive posts I get are nothing more than an attempt at good old-fashioned bullying - I post well-reasoned arguments about house prices falling, which upsets those who stand to lose out. If you look at those who thanked negative posts against me, you will note that, surprise, surprise, with only 1 exception I think, they are all BTL landlords.

I'm not a BTL landlord, never have been, just a regular guy who values stability for my family above all else. I'm tired of you valuing nothing but money - homes are an essential part of society and you are obsessed with them as some sort of investment vehicle not a place to nest or raise a family.