What has happened to this forum?!!!

Mr._H_2

barnaby-bear wrote: »

I wouldn't say abusive per se, more undermining, insidiously maniuplative, and catty.

Well, I've never seen it.

Carolt is clearly not the only HPCer on this forum, but it seems to be her rather than any other HPCers that non-HPCers are picking on. Other people have been far more outspoken and outlandish in their views (from what I have read), for example SquatNow.

barnaby-bear wrote: »

The woman puts greed and money above all else

I don't know about the greed part, but surely people coming to a site called MoneySavingExpert should expect advice and opinion based on money? If they want other advice like how to make a house a home, doesn't someone like good housekeeping magazine have a forum (genuine question)?

Dan:_4

adr0ck wrote: »

just so you know, i'm not a buy to let landlord

thats 2 so far

Make that 3.

Strange how she thinks that everyone who stands up to her must be a buy to let landlord.

tbs624

Oh, the irony.:rolleyes: A thread about people being “vicious” to other posters, and a good number of the chief complainers have contributed by………. being “vicious" about one target - Carolt. So who needs to get out more guys…because you’ve just about defeated your own arguments as far as I can see. ( check out also MrH’s post way back up the thread -post no. 70 something.)

Internet Forums are just a microcosm of real life - yes, you’ll get those who would say anything whilst anonymous but are less confrontational in real life but you’ll also find that many forthright posters are every bit as forthright in their personal dealings elsewhere . And for every person who doesn’t like their style, there’ll be another who does.

For example, Mr Broderick berates the articulate Carolt yet clearly adores Nelly who may well be one of the “rudest” posters on the whole of MSE. Some of Nelly’s posts make me roar with laughter, others make me cringe, but I doubt that Nelly spends his offline life as a shy wallflower.

People are just different. It’s maybe worth remembering that in pre-computer days people had the same sort of differences of opinion, expressed just as robustly: people are not going to turn en masse into “huggy” people just because the arena is different and there is a wider audience. Netiquette guidelines are just that - guidelines
I’d agree that some insults (particularly from one of the HPCers in a recent thread) breach what I’d personally view as acceptable but if you spend your life worrying about what other people think or say about you, IMO you’re on a hiding to nothing and you’d be better off living in isolation somewhere with a Labrador that loves you unconditionally.

Sometimes people don’t want to hear what’s being said, because of their own doubts & inadequacies (and we’ve all got ‘em because we’re human) and sometimes people take one part of someone’s post & run with it, drawing an inference that isn’t there in the eyes of yet other readers or of the OP. Sometimes it does us good to be confronted with an opposing viewpoint, lest we get too complacent.

If someone particularly bugs you, then add them to your ignore list -it’s what its there for.

Dan:_4

Mr._H wrote: »

Well, I've never seen it.

Carolt is clearly not the only HPCer on this forum, but it seems to be her rather than any other HPCers that non-HPCers are picking on. Other people have been far more outspoken and outlandish in their views (from what I have read), for example SquatNow.

It has nothing to do with her being a HPCer. It is her general attitude towards others.

barnaby-bear

Mr._H wrote: »

Well, I've never seen it.

Carolt is clearly not the only HPCer on this forum, but it seems to be her rather than any other HPCers that non-HPCers are picking on. Other people have been far more outspoken and outlandish in their views (from what I have read), for example SquatNow.



I don't know about the greed part, but surely people coming to a site called MoneySavingExpert should expect advice and opinion based on money? If they want other advice like how to make a house a home, doesn't someone like good housekeeping magazine have a forum (genuine question)?

Didn't you read MArtin's recent blogpost - it's about spending money you can afford wisely on things you need/will buy anyway, not accruing the most or going without. I need tenure and stability, Carol argues consistently I should forgo something I can afford....

Mr._H_2

mitchaa wrote: »

Why does she have a reputation then? There's quite a few of us now that has noticed it.

Apparently just from some people just saying over and over that she's nasty, hateful, jealous etc. etc.

mitchaa wrote: »

I dont think anyone is sad enough to go through every one of her 900 odd posts looking for abusive, sarcastic behaviour, just to suit you.

Just to suit me? It's usual in other forums I post at that if you make a claim of fact, that you provide evidence of said fact. Otherwise, how does anyone know that you're not just talking straight out of your backside?

If the woman is anywhere near as bad as you make out, remembering a specific post of hers should be easy and you should be able to easily find it.

For example, as it stands I know where to go to find an example of mr. broderick posting a personal attack on someone else (it's in this thread).

mitchaa wrote: »

It also doesn't take into account deleted threads and posts, of which there have been many.

That's a good point.

mitchaa wrote: »

Tell you what, how do you build a 'nasty' reputation for yourself without actually being nasty?

I don't know, but I appear to be witnessing it.

All I've said in relation to Carolt in this thread is that I don't understand why so many people personally attack her. I have requested evidence of the "nastiness" of which she is accused (quite why that warrants nastiness in return, I don't know) and none is forthcoming.

barnaby-bear

Mr._H wrote: »

Well, I've never seen it.

Carolt is clearly not the only HPCer on this forum, but it seems to be her rather than any other HPCers that non-HPCers are picking on. Other people have been far more outspoken and outlandish in their views (from what I have read), for example SquatNow.



I don't know about the greed part, but surely people coming to a site called MoneySavingExpert should expect advice and opinion based on money? If they want other advice like how to make a house a home, doesn't someone like good housekeeping magazine have a forum (genuine question)?

Actually she's hijacked numerous questions where people have asked for details of the fiscal processes of buying a house, how to negotiate, how much to pay for a solicitor etc.... buying a house involves a lot of financial decisions beyond the whether to do it.

mitchaa

People have made their points, there's no point in further discussing it as it will turn into a form of bullying by victimising 1 individual person. There are plenty more on MSE that feel the need to belittle people because they dont share the same opinion as them.

Mr._H_2

barnaby-bear wrote: »

Actually she's hijacked numerous questions where people have asked for details of the fiscal processes of buying a house, how to negotiate, how much to pay for a solicitor etc.... buying a house involves a lot of financial decisions beyond the whether to do it.

That doesn't make her nasty or jealous or any of those other things being accused of her. If the posts are polite and reasoned, why not warn against buying a house in the current market conditions?

I've not been very heavily involved in the HPC debate, but go back far enough and you should find a post or two from me saying I didn't think it was going to happen. But now, I think it takes some heroic feat of lying to yourself if you're convinced that a crash is not happening. It makes good MoneySaving sense to advise people (especially FTBs) not to buy a house right now.

There's certainly no "jealousy" from me, in case you're wondering. For my age (28), I have relatively sizeable equity in my home (about £200,000). However, I'm one of the apparently few homeowners who realises that if they want to trade up in the future, an HPC is actually in their favour.

Lakey

Anyone want to start telling us their thoughts on decking?