Line manager- when they won't speak to you.

lostinrates

UCAS points have changed sinc I got them. (we got 10points for an A) but I don't really see what UCAS points have to do with the job market, I never discussed UCAS points after getting in to University???? I have never been asked how many I got (though I wish I were, lol) and never asked anyone else (accept students).

Studentphil, call the jobcenter and ask them, BUT the university carrers woul still read and advise on a few sample aplications emails or taken into them I bet and your cv.

Mips

I think people have to read between the lines a bit.

From what I can gather, Phil lacks confidence and is very negative. Berating the guy isn't going to help him at all - people moaning at him under the guise of helping is just sad.

dmg24

studentphil wrote: »

It is easy to say. My family shouted at me before when I couldn't get a job and I took the job I have now as it bought them off. It is easy to say don't listen to others when they tell you that you have wasted your life and education.

Yes, it is easier said than done, and it won't happen overnight. But it is something that you really need to learn.

My Mum is incredibly tidy, and I am v messy. I moved out of the family home many years ago. Everytime she comes over to mine she starts snooping about, and then commenting on the state of the place. For far too long I would hear every comment, and I really let it wear me down. But gradually, I learnt that her comments just did not matter.

If she says it now, I will turn round and say 'If you don't like it you know where the door is'. I know that you can't say this, but you are an adult, and you do have the right to question them back. What makes their opinion so much more important than yours? Why can they not just be happy for the choices that you make? Don't be confrontational with them, but turn it round on them. Maybe that is what they need to see that you have your own mind, and can make your own choices?

studentphil

lostinrates wrote: »

UCAS points have changed sinc I got them. (we got 10points for an A) but I don't really see what UCAS points have to do with the job market, I never discussed UCAS points after getting in to University???? I have never been asked how many I got (though I wish I were, lol) and never asked anyone else (accept students).

Studentphil, call the jobcenter and ask them, BUT the university carrers woul still read and advise on a few sample aplications emails or taken into them I bet and your cv.

They would help me I am sure.

floss2

Phil, another link for you to look at:

http://careerweb.leeds.ac.uk/students/index.asp

There are 654 graduate positions advertised on there.

They will advise you by email or over the phone.

Without coming round & slapping you with a wet fish, there is little more I can do to help you if you will not ask for specific help.

And by the way, you have had a LOT of help on this thread for a wide range of people - all of whom have their own life to lead, whether it be running smoothly or with problems.

Now, run along & register with Leeds Uni careers centre.

By the way - have you applied for the posts at Chapel Allerton & Moor Allerton libraries?

dmg24

studentphil wrote: »

They would help me I am sure.

Good, positive response!

I find that the uni careers service respond well to specific, targeted questions. I left three years ago, and my career has taken many twists and turns in that time (and will continue to do so, I like it that way!). I still use my faculty advisor to bounce ideas off, often just to get a different perspective. I will email him and give him a scenario, ask for comments, pose various questions (more looking for opinion than facts - you can usually find the facts for yourself), and he always replies with comments to add to my pot of ideas. I doubt that I would get the same response if I just said 'I can't find a job. What do I do?'

floss2

Dippychick wrote: »

I think people have to read between the lines a bit.

From what I can gather, Phil lacks confidence and is very negative. Berating the guy isn't going to help him at all - people moaning at him under the guise of helping is just sad.

I'm sorry, I take exception at this. I have posted several helpful links, have advised him what to do for his personal statements, suggested he goes to his GP about him not sleeping, suggested routes to take, tried to support him & persuade him that he has got the experience he thinks he is lacking.

Yes I am frustrated - because he appears to ignore every thing that everyone posts, and carries on repeating the same statements.

I am annoyed with him, the same way that I am annoyed with my son for NOT getting a job yet, but I am not moaning at him - in my experience of dealing with young men (2 sons 20 & 22) sometimes pushing can be the only way to get some action.

I am not going to bother trying any more, because Phil does not appear to want to help himself - he has posted loads more since I checked his "status" the other day - why can't he dedicate a 10th of this posting effort to finding a new job, instead of moaning about it?

Cloudane

LOL in regards to the OP, I haven't even seen my "line manager" for about 4 months. Not that he's "not talking to me", he's just got other priorities. In that situation I ignore the pretty little graph and make my own structure of who I approach for management decisions etc. The head of department is the nearest to an LM. Forget the structure, just communicate with whoever cares the most to get things done.

I kind of see myself about 6 years ago here... never really sure of what to do, fearful of approaching potential employers (and making every excuse under the sun to avoid it), and generally preferring to sit in the comfort zone of having no job or hoping that some stranger will walk in one day out of the blue and say "Yer a wizard Harry, wanna job?".

For the love of all that is mighty don't sit on JSA for 6 months+ as then you get the "school kid / criminal" treatment (it's called New Deal) and believe me it's not fun. That's what it took to get me off my !!!!, but if it can be avoided I heartily recommend doing so! As you have a contract job already hopefully you're not that bad.

I was the same as you appear to be also in that I kind of "drifted" into my first job through circumstances rather than job hunting, so I wasn't used to the job hunting idea until the time to look for my second job. The first was an unstable and minimally paid job, but after going for a few interviews elsewhere they got easier and easier until I was confident enough and got offered a job elsewhere.

Practice is definitely the key. Employers do seem intimidating at first, because as you're growing up the older generations always seem to make them sound like big stuffy scary Alan Sugar monsters or something, and that a job interview is THE single most important life-or-death thing in the entire world, and it puts masses of fear into you. (People do this with driving examiners too, and there's no need).

With practice you realise the truth - that it's not like that at all! 99% of employers are perfectly friendly, and just an organisation made up of everyday human beings who are also trying to earn a living, and could maybe use your help. The interviewer is probably a little nervous him/herself, BTW.

Another thing is you need to approach job hunting from all angles - speculative enquiries, ask people you know to "put a word in" at their employers etc. In fact especially the latter - in my current job that's how most people get in. If you wait for that perfect job opportunity to appear as an advert you'll be waiting for a long time, and in for a lot more competition (often from those who have "had a word put in" and basically already have the job, but the company's doing interviews to comply with equal opps).

You do really have to shove yourself out of that comfort zone, but once you've done a few letters, phone chats and interviews it becomes much easier trust me And once you do find somewhere it doesn't take long to settle in and become a new comfort zone and you can relax in it for a little while.

adouglasmhor

studentphil wrote: »

It is easy to say. My family shouted at me before when I couldn't get a job and I took the job I have now as it bought them off. It is easy to say don't listen to others when they tell you that you have wasted your life and education.

Maybe before going to the gym as I and others have suggested get yourself on an NLP course or similar and learn to

A: Stop being so negative about yourself.
B: Learn to deflect criticisms and stand your corner when family members put you under pressure.

You do have a lot of good things going for you and I have a responsible public sector job I started in with less relevant qualifications than you.

lostinrates

floss2 wrote: »

I'm sorry, I take exception at this. ....quote]


Although its nice to see someone sticking up for sp I'm afraid I feel a bit like Floss2 aswell....not with sp but abut the post.

I agree sp appears to be negative and low on confidence, and I think the way some poeple speak to him is vile (I'd think that whoever the target, it reflects more on the osts that SP who may or may not be who he appears to be, which goe for any of us.) BUT studentphil does have to live in the same real world (;) for sp) as the rest of us.

Reading between the lines there are references here in my posts, to posts in other threads of his and PMs. Perhaps these aren't clear to others

I always try to be polite in all my posts (I admit sometimes I fail) and I actually like stuentphil.

I think this in the other current stuentphil thread are th most positive I've seen, and the offers of help, the links posted etc, etc afrom others are super. I really don't think its unhelpful to pick sp up on things: in fact I think it would be distinctly unhelpful, imo, to not.

I do apologise, to studentphil, however, if I appear brusque at times