Advice on Potty training

elainew

GracieP wrote: »

Any children I cared for on a one on one basis were out of nappies, completely, before 2.

Well that is amazing. You should write a book or something about your experiences. You are a better person than me in my 17 years of working with children
well done :T

GracieP

elainew wrote: »

Well that is amazing. You should write a book or something about your experiences. You are a better person than me in my 17 years of working with children
well done :T

But you work in a nursery, it's different environment. Like I said, ime, the children's home children weren't trained that early. Early training requires a much more one on one caring. I could be wrong but I just don't think it would work for a child spending a lot of time in nursery. I've already responded to you on this, so there is no need to be patronising.

And I'd never write a book on childcare, as I completely believe that people should trust their own instincts. (It wouldn't be commercially viable in a recession either.;))

milliebear00001

Hmm, just to butt in...the OP's child is well past the stage at which elimination training could be introduced. They need practical advice. Mine would be to see how you go. Some children are ready earlier than others, some are more forthcoming than others. No pressure is best. They WILL do it when they're ready.

I found that waiting til later worked for me cos I think this is easier for most busy people who value the convenience of not having too many messes to clear up. My daughter was trained by 2 and a half, and was done within a week pretty much. My view was that I could have started earlier, but it would have been a longer, messier process! My son (just 2) is nowhere near ready and antagonistic to the idea of giving up his nappy, so we'll just wait longer for him.

Also, be aware that some kids will 'backslide' when the novelty wears off - my daughter was one of these. Totally dry for three months, then started having 'accidents' when she couldn't be bothered to get up and go - a reward chart worked wonders at this point!

At the risk of being shot down, elimination training is controversial among psychologists and child development experts, many of whom argue that it does not represent 'true' training. I'm not saying I agree with this, merely pointing out that it's still debatable how this process works. Clearly some children are ready to train before 18 months, but there is a large body of medical and physiological evidence suggesting that the neural pathways are not developed enough to allow full bladder control before that age in most children.

shirlgirl2004

liney wrote: »

It's easy enough to put a child on the potty straight after a meal/nap/drink, catch a wee and say they are potty trained. Children are not potty trained until they, without prompting, go to the potty/loo remove clothing and use the facilities.

I disagree. My daughter is now 20 months and has been clean for over 2 months. She can't however get onto the toilet by herself because she's too small and she can't remove her tights. However she can tell me when she needs to go (she can use sign language and has done since 7 or 8 months) and if I leave her with no knickers or tights she takes herself when we're at home. We don't have accidents and she doesn't have to sit in urine or faeces coated nappies. Much more pleasant for both of us.

binkadv

I don't know if anyone has suggested this and I'm far too tired to read through all of the replies. But I heard a fantastic idea from a friend the other day.

Buy as many potty's as you can feasably afford and place them all over the house. Don't mention anything to your child just place them everywhere. And forget about them. When the child starts noticing them kep saying "potty" when they are obviously trying to figure out what it is and then when changing the nappy say wee wee or poo poo or whatever your term for it is. and then start linking up the two let them figure it out for themselves and go crazy with praise when they do the correct thing with it. And then let them choose their favourite potty/potty's eventually move it closer to the adult toilet and and when they go to the toilet either go at the same time or pretend to. Still going crazy whever they do it right.

It's a longer way of doing it but apparently it works really well and they most probably wont use some of the potty's so you can sell them on as brand new.

goodluck

shirlgirl2004

Well it is one idea but not very MSE :rotfl: . Just for the record my DD would use each one. If we go to someones's house and sees a potty she wants to use it.:rolleyes:

liney

GracieP wrote: »

Actually my first post was one of personal experience to counter a post given as fact. It was thanked by 5 posters, including the OP, who also said that she was finding the discussion on different methods interesting. Then Liney came out with a soundbite comment which showed very little understanding of how early training works, so I described my mum's experiences. Which was responded with rude dismissal, and a repeat of the same soundbite.

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Actually your comparision about disabled persons was what rubbed me up the wrong way initially if you must know.

If your definition of rude is disagreeing with you then so be it.

Now this is rude: if you persist and persist with the children in your care as you have done on this thread, it's no wonder they are potty trained; they can't cope with the nagging.

See the difference?

GracieP

liney wrote: »

Actually your comparision about disabled persons was what rubbed me up the wrong way initially if you must know.

If your definition of rude is disagreeing with you then so be it.

But my comparison with a disabled person was totally apt and it showed right off how your definition of potty trained was incorrect. Because within the tight limits of your definition a person incapable of taking themselves to the bathroom, as any of us would be if we simply broke both our arms, is incontinent. If it rubbed you up the wrong way, then you have to ask yourself why.

And my definition of rude is people coming out with teen slogans such as 'chill out' when faced with somebody who knows more on a subject than they do. I actually love people disagreeing with me as debate fosters insight. Allowing our views to be challenged is the only way to keep an open mind and provides some of the best learning opportunities you can find.

I'd also suggest you re-read your last comments to me and see if you still wonder why I'd consider your posts to be rude.

liney

GracieP wrote: »

But my comparison with a disabled person was totally apt and it showed right off how your definition of potty trained was incorrect. Because within the tight limits of your definition a person incapable of taking themselves to the bathroom, as any of us would be if we simply broke both our arms, is incontinent. If it rubbed you up the wrong way, then you have to ask yourself why.

And my definition of rude is people coming out with teen slogans such as 'chill out' when faced with somebody who knows more on a subject than they do. I actually love people disagreeing with me as debate fosters insight. Allowing our views to be challenged is the only way to keep an open mind and provides some of the best learning opportunities you can find.

I'd also suggest you re-read your last comments to me and see if you still wonder why I'd consider your posts to be rude.

For the love of Satan.

Firstly, you know more about potty training than every mother on this thread despite the fact your knowledge comes from some part time childminding. I salute you!

Secondly, you still haven't addressed my earlier question regarding your persistant posts making a mother feel inadequet because they are not living up to your expectations of a child's capability, which you are promoting to be perfectly normal and average, when medically they are not.

Thirdly, my last post was ment to be rude: as you claimed all the others were i thought i'd give it a try. You have continued to drag my name into this debate despite it being evident i had chosen not to continue the discussion. I began to get irritated by your attitude and pixles on T'internet are not worth being irritated about. If you want to continue, then leave me out of it. I think i have made it clear i am bored with going around in circles with you.

frugallass

Originally Posted by frugallass
1. She states 'far too early' - and as Gracie P states this can be quite discouring

2. Do you know how long she has been a nursery nurse for, did she state that she had vast experience of potty training in her work environment?

I wouldn't send my child to a nursery that refuses to potty train until the child can communicate verbally - what a terrible way to run such an establishment.

elainew wrote: »

I've been a nursery nurse for 17 years. In all of those 17 years I have NEVER had a child under 2 potty trained. Yes you can sit them on a potty and by some luck they will do a wee--try doing that with 10 x 2 year olds . No chance

But each to their own. Personally and with all my 17 years experience I wouldnt even try them so young.
Having a 2 year old in nappies was the least of my problems with my own dd.
Stop blooming arguing--do it whatever way you want to .

You quoted my post but nowhere in my post did I say anything about potty training a child under two