i dont have my landlords address!

newbiejolly

Ok thanks terryw.

I've contacted trading standards and the police, just waiting to hear back frm them.

terryw

Great stuff. The actual section of the Landlord and Tenant Act is as follows
Landlord and Tenant Act 1985

An Act to consolidate certain provisions of the law of landlord and tenant formerly found in the; Housing Acts, together with the Landlord and Tenant Act1962, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission. 30th October 1985]

1. DISCLOSURE OF LANDLORD’S IDENTITY

(1) If the tenant of premises occupied as a dwelling makes a written request for the landlord’s name and address to—

(a) any person who demands, or the last person who received, rent payable under the tenancy, or any other person for the time being acting as agent for the landlord, in relation to the tenancy,
that person shall supply the tenant with a written statement of the landlord’s name and address within the period of 21 days beginning with the day on which he receives the request.

(2) A person who, without reasonable excuse, fails to comply with subsection (1) commits a summary offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.
(3) In this section and section 2—
(a) "tenant" includes a statutory tenant; and (b) "landlord" means the immediate landlord.

Two slight problems here:
1. You actually have to give written notice that you require an address before it becomes a criminal offense. A bit difficult when you don't have an address - but have a simple letter written out for the next time you see her. Obviously sign and date the letter, and in an ideal world get her to sign a copy acknowledging receipt or at least have a witness.
2.. It is for the authority to enforce this by laying complaint to the magistrates but you might have a bit bother finding which section of your council deals with this. Might be Trading Standards or something like Tenancy Liason Officer. Ask for the person who deals with complaints against landlords, and be ready to quote this Act.
It will start the wheels moving anyway.

The above of course has is in addition to the civil remedies of not paying any rent because of breaches, claiming back 3x deposit because no scheme used and the invalidity of section 21 notices because to scheme used.

There are some excellent postings with links in the post http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=10383555#post10383555

which cover some of the areas discussed.

best wishes

terryw

owitemisermusa

newbiejolly wrote: »

its not on land registry details, not on 192 or phone book, she wont give it to me and i dont think she will give me my deposit back

what can i do? i thought they have to legally give you an address on an assured shorthold tenancy

Obvious question:

What makes you think you won't get your deposit back? Has anything happened to give you that impression?

IMVHO, before talk of 'getting 3x deposit', it would be nice to know what has happened to make you see that as a viable course of action and why you have labelled her 'a bit rough'.

Also, you've not said if you're renting via a letting agent or direct from the said LL.

If you have a LA, that's the first port of call.

BTW, could there be another reason why she has so far allegedly refused to give her address?

terryw

owitemisermusa wrote: »

Obvious question:

What makes you think you won't get your deposit back? Has anything happened to give you that impression?

IMVHO, before talk of 'getting 3x deposit', it would be nice to know what has happened to make you see that as a viable course of action and why you have labelled her 'a bit rough'.

Also, you've not said if you're renting via a letting agent or direct from the said LL.

If you have a LA, that's the first port of call.

BTW, could there be another reason why she has so far allegedly refused to give her address?

Newbie is paying the rent in cash and contact is by a mobile phone number.

The LL HAS a legal obligation to provide an address -why do think she would not provide an address?

Again the 3x deposit rules do look hard but that is the law. I am sure most people with a reasonable LL would not invoke these provisions but I am sure that this very recent piece of legislation has been brought in for good reason.


It does not look as though an agent is involved otherwise Newbie would have contacted them before paying money to the LR in an abortive attempt to find the address.

terryw

Bungarm2001

I wouldn't mind betting that the 'LL' is actually the tenant there and has sublet the property. I could be wrong, but all the signs are there.

This happened to a friend of mine a while back. She rented a flat off someone who said she owned it but it turned out the real LL was out of the country indefinitely, so the tenant worked a nice little scam subletting until she got caught. At least these days you can check the registry to see who actually owns a property.

terryw

Bungarm2001 wrote: »

I wouldn't mind betting that the 'LL' is actually the tenant there and has sublet the property. I could be wrong, but all the signs are there.

This happened to a friend of mine a while back. She rented a flat off someone who said she owned it but it turned out the real LL was out of the country indefinitely, so the tenant worked a nice little scam subletting until she got caught. At least these days you can check the registry to see who actually owns a property.

Na, mate, this is not the case here. In post number one the Op has checked with the LR which gives the OWNER'S name and address. This is the LL who for some reason uses the flat as their address. My own hunch is the LL has bought on an ordinary residential mortgage rather than a buy to let, and is quite naughty and has let the place out.

Ok, I bet you the price of a pint of beer (debt binding in honour only -loser to pay to charity) on your terms as offered, as you have offered the bet!

terryw

Bungarm2001

No probs terryw!! I'll buy ya a pint anytime!

I for one would be very interested to see how this particular situation pans out...there are so many dodgy LL's out there, real or not and it never ceases to amaze me the amount of cheek people have and get away with.

Here's another bet...safe one this time...that she no way has declared this particular income AND she's probly on benefits!! :rotfl:

terryw

Bungarm2001 wrote: »

No probs terryw!! I'll buy ya a pint anytime!

I for one would be very interested to see how this particular situation pans out...there are so many dodgy LL's out there, real or not and it never ceases to amaze me the amount of cheek people have and get away with.

Here's another bet...safe one this time...that she no way has declared this particular income AND she's probly on benefits!! :rotfl:

This one has taken my fancy and I hope Newbie does well out the whole thing. Usually my sympathies are with the LL.....there are loads more dodgy tenants than LLs. But newbie is a good sort and she needs a bit of help with this dodgy lady.. Please continue to give her a hand when the thing starts hotting up.

I look forward to updates.

No bet on your latest proposition. In fact I'll offer 3 to 1 in honour binding bets in pints payable to charity that said lady is not declaring it!

Keep watching the skies.

best wishes

terryw

Loretta

Perhaps OP could print out the information given by terryw in post 43 and when the L/L comes round for the rent give her that instead and say that no more rent will be paid, keep it safe to hand over when necessary, until she has OP's address. The ball is then in the L/L court. L/L can give her address and that is then sorted or she can continue to refuse and can't actually do anything about it, cannot get the rent and cannot issue notice.

As rent is being paid in cash I do hope that you have receipts

newbiejolly

owitemisermusa wrote: »

Obvious question:

What makes you think you won't get your deposit back? Has anything happened to give you that impression? Yes, we agreed i could leave the tenancy early before. She told me I would get the deposit back before she checked something (which tennants are NOT responsible for) plus she never did an inventory and the flat is 90% better now than it was when I moved in. She also didnt take a forwarding address for me.

IMVHO, before talk of 'getting 3x deposit', it would be nice to know what has happened to make you see that as a viable course of action and why you have labelled her 'a bit rough'. surely not protecting my deposit and going against the new rules, along with not providing me with an address and doing ZERO repair work is enough?

Also, you've not said if you're renting via a letting agent or direct from the said LL.private landlord found on gumtree, collects rent in cash each month.

If you have a LA, that's the first port of call.

BTW, could there be another reason why she has so far allegedly refused to give her address why would I be on here asking for advice about her address if she hadnt "allegedly refused" shes obviously avoiding the taxman

shes cost me alot of money, hassle and stress. I'm not a nasty person and I've been more than fair. I wouldnt take her to court just for the sake of getting the money, theres more to it.