i dont have my landlords address!

Imp

I seem to remember, but don't know where I got this info from, that if you don't have the landlord's address, no rent is payable and is not payable until an address is provided.

Do a google search based on this and try and find the required legislation. It may be that a requirement of an AST is provision of the landlord's address, so no address, no contract.

Check out

http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=8720

newbiejolly

EliteHeat wrote: »

Get her car registration number and obtain her address from the DVLA citing serving CC papers as a reason.

I have no idea if this would work or not.

P.S. If she is committing a criminal offence as said before, why not go to the police with the car reg number and let them do the work?

i contated dvla, but they said they cant give me the information because its not car related. Good idea about the police though.

newbiejolly

terryw wrote: »

Just a couple of thoughts here.

1. If the LR details show a mortgage lender, why not contact them as they may have an up to date address. The LL may not have informed them that the property is let, but you do have very genuine reasons for finding out the address.

2. Regardless of anything else, contacting the TRO is not a bad idea - they may well have had dealings with this lady before.

3. Many local areas have LLs associations - again the TRO will know of these, and might lead to info about this lady. Most LLs are decent people (Silence at the back there!) and dislike rogue landlords.

4. Has any tradesman come to the house during the tenancy - they will know the address.

5. Perhaps suggest to the LL when you see her that you might contact HMRC for details of her address as she won't provide it.

6. I stress that I am not a lawyer but it is just possible that communications and summons sent to the address might well be considered valid service as this is the address for service given to the LR. Worth checking this idea out, or any comments from other MSEs?

7. It looks as though the LL has lived at this address at some time as there is no other address with the LR. Presumably you have made a few discrete enquiries with neighbours.

Please let us know how you get on.

terryw

thankyou for all of that information!i wanted to wait until i moved out to do any of this because shes hmm a bit rough :rotfl:

Guy_Montag

newbiejolly wrote: »

i contated dvla, but they said they cant give me the information because its not car related. Good idea about the police though.

Get a friend to call up DVLA with the reg number to say that the car has been parked in their drive for several days & they want to contact the owner to ask them to move it.

That's car related!

newbiejolly

Guy_Montag wrote: »

Get a friend to call up DVLA with the reg number to say that the car has been parked in their drive for several days & they want to contact the owner to ask them to move it.

That's car related!

tis also a naughty fib, but ill try

MissMoneypenny

barnaby-bear wrote: »

http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/landlord's_address.htm
Nope rent isn't lawful without the address... you can stop paying :rotfl:

Interesting that that site states that they don't have to give the LLs address. The April 2007 amendment to The Housing (Tenancy Deposits) (Prescribed Information) Order 2007, which relates to the Housing Act 2004, clearly states they do have to give this information - in the prescribed manner - within 14 days of the deposit being taken or they lose the right to serve a S21.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20070797_en_1

http://www.england-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2004/ukpga_20040034_en_19


From nearlylegal's site
"Where a shorthold assured tenancy started after 6 April 2007, i) the deposit must be held by the landlord in one of the approved tenancy deposit schemes, within 14 days of receiving it and ii) the landlord is to give prescribed information about this to the tenant.
Now, where the landlord fails to do either or both of these, the landlord may not give a HA 1988 s.21 Notice. Any putative notice served is invalid, even if the landlord then later complies with the scheme. Moreover, any s.21 Notice signed at the beginning of the tenancy, or with the tenancy agreement (as very many are) is invalid, as the deposit is not (yet) held in compliance with the scheme and the requisite information not (yet) provided to the tenant."
http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/index.php?s=shorthold

terryw

newbiejolly wrote: »

thankyou for all of that information!i wanted to wait until i moved out to do any of this because shes hmm a bit rough :rotfl:

Thanks for the thanks Newbie. I am rooting for you all the way.

Regarding my point 6, if and when it comes to county court proceedings my gut feeling is that you are OK sending letters and the summons to the flat address as this could be the business address according to the rules of the court
https://www.justice.gov.uk/civil/procrules_fin/pdf/parts/part06.pdf

but IANAL etc etc. Please check this out.

I am trying to find out who enforces the CRIMINAL charge of the LL not giving address. Will report back . But strongly suggest a call to Trading Standards who even if they do not deal with it, should be able to advise the correct authority. I doubt if it is the police but well worth a call there.

Keep on truckin'

terryw

P.S If you find her address please let me know as I like "a bit of rough". Sorry did not mean to offend, this comment was made in jest, and I do not like a bit of rough and no................usual groveling apology to all and sundry.

brownbabygirl

terryw wrote: »

and no................usual groveling apology to all and sundry.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

newbiejolly

terryw wrote: »

Thanks for the thanks Newbie. I am rooting for you all the way.

Regarding my point 6, if and when it comes to county court proceedings my gut feeling is that you are OK sending letters and the summons to the flat address as this could be the business address according to the rules of the court
www.justice.gov.uk/civil/procrules_fin/pdf/parts/part06.pdf

but would that not make me a lodger, as my address would be the same as the landlords so the TDS would not apply and be void?

terryw wrote:

P.S If you find her address please let me know as I like "a bit of rough". Sorry did not mean to offend, this comment was made in jest, and I do not like a bit of rough and no................usual groveling apology to all and sundry.

LOL:rotfl:

terryw

newbiejolly wrote: »

but would that not make me a lodger, as my address would be the same as the landlords so the TDS would not apply and be void?

Court proceedings are a little way down the line yet, and hopefully by hook or by crook , you will have found her address by then. I am trying to find a definite answer to this and I will report back if and when. As I say though, if when you leave and you have not found an address then you have little choice but to issue the court forms using the flat address. You have little choice as she will not give another address and you have asked. This is a business address as this is the one registered with the LR. If push comes to shove, and the lady requested judgment to be set aside because she had not received the court papers (allegedly!) I really can't see a judge being sympathetic...........they have heard this type of story many times before.

Anyway we will worry about that when the time comes for the issue of the summons. But please make a start by contacting Trading Standards or the police, as this refusal to give an address is criminal...........nothing to do with you claiming damages in the civil courts.

terryw