TV Licence article Discussion

FreeBear

Monkeyboy2019 said: What happens now? Just ignore it?

I just ignore the letters. Don't even bother opening them now. You might get someone knocking on the door (or hammering in my case). They will ask some impertinent questions which you should not answer. Don't even confirm your name.

Nick_C

It's more fun to phone them and waste their time every time they send you a letter.  That costs them money. Just tell them that you are the occupier and you don't do anything at your home that requires you to buy a TV license.

Don't give them any personal details; name, email, phone number.  You are not a customer, the have no right to hold your personal data. If they already have your personal data, tell them they no longer have your permission to store it. Tell them they must delete it. 

They will soon get sick of your phone calls and stop sending letters. That's my experience anyway.

(Withhold your number when you call.) 

Monkeyboy2019

Thanks for the replies. I'll just put the letters in the bin.

veganpanda

My comment was removed, this is a fascist place!!!

NorthantsPete81

MSE_Archna said:

This thread is specifically to discuss the the

TV Licence article

To discuss or ask a question about this article: click reply

Define LIVE TV

I watch BT sports which i pay separately £25pm for and doesnt rely on the bbc at all - does this mean the bbc get my money?
What about channel 4 live online only -  or do they mean live via broadcasting tv ariels which i dont have nor do i have a sky dish
It is 'live' and catchup..... or catchup if i pause it for 10 minutes then begin to watch.

Nick_C

NorthantsPete81 said:

MSE_Archna said:

This thread is specifically to discuss the the

TV Licence article

To discuss or ask a question about this article: click reply

Define LIVE TV

I watch BT sports which i pay separately £25pm for and doesnt rely on the bbc at all - does this mean the bbc get my money?
What about channel 4 live online only -  or do they mean live via broadcasting tv ariels which i dont have nor do i have a sky dish
It is 'live' and catchup..... or catchup if i pause it for 10 minutes then begin to watch.

The answer is in the article.  Have you read it?

Moneysense

I note that the wording on the latest declaration for not having a TV Licence has changed making it impossible not to have the licence if you stream your service and watch on demand. Amazon prime is now mentioned within the listing as licence required but no mention of Netflix. I would suggest someone is trying to cloud the issue by a sneaky play on wording to make it even more confusing.

FreeBear

Fromhttps://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/telling-us-you-dont-need-a-tv-licence

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

• watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
• watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
• download or watch any BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer.

The important bit is "watch or stream programmes live". If you are watching on-demand programmes or catch-up (except on iPlayer), then a licence is still not required. TV Licencing is very good at muddying the waters and implying you need to fund their services regardless. Just ignore their half-truths and bin the monthly letters addressed to the "Legal Occupier".

Cornucopia

Moneysense said:

I note that the wording on the latest declaration for not having a TV Licence has changed making it impossible not to have the licence if you stream your service and watch on demand. Amazon prime is now mentioned within the listing as licence required but no mention of Netflix. I would suggest someone is trying to cloud the issue by a sneaky play on wording to make it even more confusing.

The whole issue of Amazon Prime Video is a grey area.

TVL would no doubt say that now that Amazon includes content (sport) that is not "on demand" then it is no longer an on-demand service and therefore requires a TV Licence, but I don't think it's as straightforward as that.

I think (at least), if you subscribe to Amazon PV and don't ever watch live sport, then you don't need a TV Licence for that.

I'm curious about TVL's justification over live sport on Amazon, as well, because there are other forms of live video content that are known not to require a TV Licence:  most notably parliamentlive.tv and the radio video feeds such as LBC and Talk Radio.  

I'd also say that the TVL no licence needed "declaration" doesn't mean a great deal, and if anyone feels uncomfortable agreeing to any of TVL's weasel words, then just don't complete it.   It makes little difference either way, and if TVL want to make it difficult for people to help them by completing it, that's their loss.

MaryNB

Moneysense said:

I note that the wording on the latest declaration for not having a TV Licence has changed making it impossible not to have the licence if you stream your service and watch on demand. Amazon prime is now mentioned within the listing as licence required but no mention of Netflix. I would suggest someone is trying to cloud the issue by a sneaky play on wording to make it even more confusing.

You can watch live sport on Amazon Prime. Netflix is purely on demand.