'Rich' Editor feedback.

Bridlington1

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81857282#Comment_81857282

In addition, just something to watch out for if copying tables from excel, you get a lot of extra text added to it by default, such as below. It's easy enough to remove but is there a way to stop it automatically generating the extra text?

table{mso-displayed-decimal-separator:"\.";mso-displayed-thousand-separator:"\,";}tr{mso-height-source:auto;}col{mso-width-source:auto;}td{padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;mso-ignore:padding;color:black;font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:general;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap;mso-rotate:0;}.xl470{font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;}.xl487{color:white;font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;}.xl488{color:white;font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;}.xl494{color:white;font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;border-top:.5pt solid #5B9BD5;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;}.xl501{font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;background:#00B0F0;mso-pattern:black none;}.xl504{color:white;font-family:Georgia;mso-generic-font-family:auto;mso-font-charset:0;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;white-space:normal;}

Account                                                                                                                           .	Old Rate	New Rate	Date
Saffron BS 12 Month Members Regular Saver	3.95%	3.70%	28/01/2026
Saffron BS Braintree Regular Saver	4.00%	NO CHANGE	28/01/2026
Saffron BS Children's Regular Saver	4.20%	3.95%	28/01/2026
Saffron BS Small Saver	4.15%	3.90%	28/01/2026

Also it no longer seems to fit column widths based on the amount of text in there so these have to be manually adjusted. Pity as before I deliberately added a lot of spaces to some table headings to force the columns to automatically appear as set widths without needing further adjustments.

On the plus I do think the finished tables themselves look nicer than before but it takes a few extra steps to get there.

Bridlington1

Bridlington17:34 pm Regardless though it'll affect the running of many threads. In the Top Regular Savers discussion thread you often get chains of quotes half a dozen or more quotes deep, especially when a new savings account has been launched. It certainly helps to keep track of discussion if you can see all previous quotes in one place and don't have links appearing everywhere. As a workaround (I know it's faff but might help in some instances), you could possibly use the table function for quotes. For instance you could create a table of one column and multiple rows to create quote chains. If I use the most recent post from @MSE_Stephen as an example it creates: SiliconChip3:19 pm "During that time continually advocated for a Quotation system more in line with what our members would like - and we will continue to do so. " You're paying your provider for a solution, if they don't or can't give you what you ask for then go to someone who can. Do you not have anybody working at MSE who understands how to negotiate a contract? Of the many things that have been fouled up in the forum over the years this appears to be the worst. MSE_Stephen Just to address this, and similar points raised, and without going into to much behind-the-scenes detail - We don't have a custom-built forum tailored to our every need. Compare our forum (on the Vanilla platform) to other providers like Discourse - if you've ever ventured onto e.g. the Monzo forum, you'll notice that it's almost identical to every single other Discource forum (e.g Mozilla forum, or 100 others that function identically apart from a few tweaks) Our provider, Vanilla, create a platform used by hundreds of forums. Though we can customise and tailor far more than we could with many other forum providers, changing the editor for us changes it for every customer. Only features that many customers want will usually be considered, but we can, and have, made the case for many improvements and features that have been implemented. We will continue to advocate for what's important to our members, and make the case for editor improvements! I'm just playing around with it at this point to be fair.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81857443#Comment_81857443

Well this is the nearest I can get to manipulating the new editor to handle stacked quotes whilst viewing all previous quotes without links as such, you can just copy the whole lot of the previous quote into a table. It seems to allow for tables within tables to be created and any link that does appear has the full version of what it should show in the row immediately above it.

It's more long winded, and you end up with a lot of blank space unless any quotes are fully opened so it takes up more room but it's an option I suppose.

EDIT: That's odd, it seems to force the table depth to be as wide as the fully expanded quote when you first make the post but this fixes itself if you edit the text immediately below it. Possibly a glitch?

PennysIntoPounds

Is this 'Rich' as in 'If you want to know what the Gods think of money, look at the people they give it to' rich?

If I was just signing up to these forums, I wouldn't stay.

SoSorry for long post, but just to put in one place some of the issues highlighted on my diary this evening:

Can we have our preview and edit buttons back please, and can the site possibly not go completely insane if you dare try to paste your diary entry?

the double spacing is godawful. And trying to write name didn't autofill like it used to but autocorrected in stages

before I post (some) names are in bold and (some) aren't. Wonder if it'll show up in anyone's notifications if you manually write their name rather than selecting from the short mse recommended list

ThaThanks okay leaving that formatting there as the mse new forum did it rather than me or my phone- and it seems to be having an epileptic fit every few seconds saving the draft, which is really unpleasant to use and see

Didn't want a double space here, wanted to write the next line in the same section of relevant text. Next line was going to be 'And it rather negates the 'save draft' button which is still there despite the preview and edit buttons having disappeared'.

Didn't want my screen to jump and start a new paragraph here either. I was also going to add that it can't be very money saving or environmentally friendly for MSE to be paying for and storing double the amount of server space due to the forum double spacing everything.

I see that people quoting on here now results in not being able to see either full post. What a great handy feature on a forum 😐

PennysIntoPounds

JuJust to add, really love this site and the forum, and appreciate that you have behind the scenes pressures that we don't see, thank you for all your hard work.

That's not including your website provider though, your website provider is taking you for a ride, c'mon MSE, you of all places should be able to work out a contract that doesn't result in the worst website since 1995 x

masonic

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81857454#Comment_81857454

That looks encouraging, but how much effort is it to put together? I guess you can go back and quote multiple posts in a thread until you have enough context. In many cases one is enough.

Ultimately, this is an issue of the forum having a flat structure rather than threaded structure, so quoting was previously used to follow conversations and overcome the fact that each new message is added on to the end of the discussion with no set relation to any prior message. The new quoting system breaks the last mechanism we had for following individual threads of conversation in an overarching topic of discussion.

For many other forums, this will be of little consequence as they consist largely of a question followed by posts answering that question, and then the topic is closed. Whereas there are lots of ecosystems within the MSE community where larger issues are discussed at length and dissected in great detail.

It is a shame that vBulletin ruined its platform as that seemed to be the pinnacle with everything downhill since the big vulnerability in 2010 and split-off of Xenforo.

Bridlington1

Bridlington19:16 pm Bridlington17:34 pm Regardless though it'll affect the running of many threads. In the Top Regular Savers discussion thread you often get chains of quotes half a dozen or more quotes deep, especially when a new savings account has been launched. It certainly helps to keep track of discussion if you can see all previous quotes in one place and don't have links appearing everywhere. As a workaround (I know it's faff but might help in some instances), you could possibly use the table function for quotes. For instance you could create a table of one column and multiple rows to create quote chains. If I use the most recent post from @MSE_Stephen as an example it creates: SiliconChip3:19 pm "During that time continually advocated for a Quotation system more in line with what our members would like - and we will continue to do so. " You're paying your provider for a solution, if they don't or can't give you what you ask for then go to someone who can. Do you not have anybody working at MSE who understands how to negotiate a contract? Of the many things that have been fouled up in the forum over the years this appears to be the worst. MSE_Stephen Just to address this, and similar points raised, and without going into to much behind-the-scenes detail - We don't have a custom-built forum tailored to our every need. Compare our forum (on the Vanilla platform) to other providers like Discourse - if you've ever ventured onto e.g. the Monzo forum, you'll notice that it's almost identical to every single other Discource forum (e.g Mozilla forum, or 100 others that function identically apart from a few tweaks) Our provider, Vanilla, create a platform used by hundreds of forums. Though we can customise and tailor far more than we could with many other forum providers, changing the editor for us changes it for every customer. Only features that many customers want will usually be considered, but we can, and have, made the case for many improvements and features that have been implemented. We will continue to advocate for what's important to our members, and make the case for editor improvements! I'm just playing around with it at this point to be fair. Well this is the nearest I can get to manipulating the new editor to handle stacked quotes whilst viewing all previous quotes without links as such, you can just copy the whole lot of the previous quote into a table. It seems to allow for tables within tables to be created and any link that does appear has the full version of what it should show in the row immediately above it. It's more long winded, and you end up with a lot of blank space unless any quotes are fully opened so it takes up more room but it's an option I suppose. EDIT: That's odd, it seems to force the table depth to be as wide as the fully expanded quote when you first make the post but this fixes itself if you edit the text immediately below it. Possibly a glitch? https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81857443#Comment_81857443

masonic That looks encouraging, but how much effort is it to put together? I guess you can go back and quote multiple posts in a thread until you have enough context. In many cases one is enough. Ultimately, this is an issue of the forum having a flat structure rather than threaded structure, so quoting was previously used to follow conversations and overcome the fact that each new message is added on to the end of the discussion with no set relation to any prior message. The new quoting system breaks the last mechanism we had for following individual threads in an overarching topic of discussion. For many other forums, this will be of little consequence as they consist largely of a question followed by posts answering that question, and then the topic is closed. Whereas there are lots of ecosystems within the MSE community where larger issues are discussed at length and dissected in great detail.

It takes about 10 seconds to quote. I just create a table of 2 rows, copy and paste all of what you've quoted into the first row and whatever you've commented after it on the second row.

I'm doing all this on a laptop though, I suspect it might be more fiddly on a phone. The other issue is that text within the tables seems to be getting progressively smaller, possibly corresponding to the heading levels in the screenshot below so whether it'll break when it passes that remains to be seen.

It does allow you to recover much of the context lost by the new editor though, at the expense of filling up a lot more space, so again it's a workaround more suited to a laptop than a phone I'd imagine.

EDIT: Ee by gum, that's left rather a lot of blank space.

ThePirates

Hating the new editor and layouts of quoted posts, it's VERY difficult to read on a mobile 😢