Are new cars really as bad as they say?

ThorOdinson

Chinese EVs, especially MG, are proven reliable and cheap to run. Well priced too.

WellKnownSid

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

born_again

henry24 said:

This is another thing I don't understand with EVs owners say they don't need to use the brakes what happens if they rust solid and a child runs out and you can't stop 

Well that's a new one..🤣

Ever heard of engine breaking???

EV's have a far more efficient system where the electric motor goes into charging mode when no power to it. Thus slowing the car down faster.

Physical brakes are used as well, & kept clean by use. Some have a system where the 1st time breaking is required the physical brakes are used.

henry24

So the electric motor will stop it dead 

ididgetwhereiamtoday

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Case dismissed!

seatbeltnoob

WellKnownSid said:

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

Well we're talking about the cars we have today. We shouldnt be making buying decisions on EVs today based on EVs might become 2050. 

In 2050 Evs might all share similar interchanable battery packs, and motor technology. All using similarly produced parts all using similar wiring so it's easy for technicans to work across brands. 

As it stands, it's not like that. 

In 2025. A failure in an EV car requires it to be sent back to main dealer and nobody else can work on them.

What was the solution in 1990 to solve the rover "back to main dealer" problem? It was avoid rover and buy german. 

Maybe apply the 1990 solution today...  

DrEskimo

seatbeltnoob said:

WellKnownSid said:

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

Well we're talking about the cars we have today. We shouldnt be making buying decisions on EVs today based on EVs might become 2050. 

In 2050 Evs might all share similar interchanable battery packs, and motor technology. All using similarly produced parts all using similar wiring so it's easy for technicans to work across brands. 

As it stands, it's not like that. 

In 2025. A failure in an EV car requires it to be sent back to main dealer and nobody else can work on them.

What was the solution in 1990 to solve the rover "back to main dealer" problem? It was avoid rover and buy german. 

Maybe apply the 1990 solution today...  

This just isn’t true. There are plenty of independent repairers for EVs. I took my Tesla to a Tesla independent specialist in Reading. There’s Cleverly who actually travel to you to carry out repairs on EVs where possible, and does component level repairs at their workshop for all the parts. Then there is chap called Gary I know who largely carries out motor repairs for Renault Zoe’s, but also all EVs. These are just three I happen to know of. 

There’s HEVRA that enables you to search for EV/hybrid specialist garages across the UK. 

Your misinformation on EVs throughout this thread is staggering…they don’t always set on fire, hardly ever. They don’t need new batteries in 7-10yrs…they don’t always have to go back to dealers for repairs. 

Please stop spreading blatant misinformation. 

WellKnownSid

seatbeltnoob said:

WellKnownSid said:

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

Well we're talking about the cars we have today. We shouldnt be making buying decisions on EVs today based on EVs might become 2050. 

In 2050 Evs might all share similar interchanable battery packs, and motor technology. All using similarly produced parts all using similar wiring so it's easy for technicans to work across brands. 

As it stands, it's not like that. 

In 2025. A failure in an EV car requires it to be sent back to main dealer and nobody else can work on them.

What was the solution in 1990 to solve the rover "back to main dealer" problem? It was avoid rover and buy german. 

Maybe apply the 1990 solution today...  

Nonsense. Just watched Gary EV fix a Zoe - it was driven into a Renault main dealer and trailered out because they broke it and couldn’t fix it 🤣

Independents will be the future of EV maintenance just as they are for DPFs, turbos, etc where customers decide they can’t afford to replace parts greater than the value of the car because the dealer cannot diag it properly.

https://youtu.be/G_WcCjie5WY

seatbeltnoob

DrEskimo said:

seatbeltnoob said:

WellKnownSid said:

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

Well we're talking about the cars we have today. We shouldnt be making buying decisions on EVs today based on EVs might become 2050. 

In 2050 Evs might all share similar interchanable battery packs, and motor technology. All using similarly produced parts all using similar wiring so it's easy for technicans to work across brands. 

As it stands, it's not like that. 

In 2025. A failure in an EV car requires it to be sent back to main dealer and nobody else can work on them.

What was the solution in 1990 to solve the rover "back to main dealer" problem? It was avoid rover and buy german. 

Maybe apply the 1990 solution today...  

This just isn’t true. There are plenty of independent repairers for EVs. I took my Tesla to a Tesla independent specialist in Reading. There’s Cleverly who actually travel to you to carry out repairs on EVs where possible, and does component level repairs at their workshop for all the parts. Then there is chap called Gary I know who largely carries out motor repairs for Renault Zoe’s, but also all EVs. These are just three I happen to know of. 

There’s HEVRA that enables you to search for EV/hybrid specialist garages across the UK. 

Your misinformation on EVs throughout this thread is staggering…they don’t always set on fire, hardly ever. They don’t need new batteries in 7-10yrs…they don’t always have to go back to dealers for repairs. 

Please stop spreading blatant misinformation. 

Ev repair is a cottage industry, most people will be lucky to live 100 miles near an indie who can work on EVs.

The so called independant tesla specialist. Can they fix anything else other than tesla? Do they have to enrol into teslas repairer program to be certified and have access to the tesla diagnostics software?

Rich rebuilds, built his tesla. But it's unauthorised repair and tesla won't even sell him a second key because the car is blacklisted. All the features that require a callback to server are disabled. I believe he had to disable the callback altogether so the car won't get remotely shut down.

So this nonsense "indie repair" is garbage. They're not ibdependant, they work through tesla approval 

DrEskimo

seatbeltnoob said:

DrEskimo said:

seatbeltnoob said:

WellKnownSid said:

seatbeltnoob said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

Significant Battery life degradation is not a thing. The rest of the car will fall apart first and you will still have a usable battery That will still be worth some money when you come to scrap it. 

By the time the car is out of warranty at 8 years old, it won’t be worth much anyway so the perceived risk is negligible. 

I reckon EVs will outlast ICE cars. We will be seeing plenty of Niros and ID3s running around at 20 years old. 

just watched a neigbours niro get collected by a flatbed transporter not long ago. wont start.

any issues like no start. an indie mobile mechanic cant come out to fix it. it has to go back to main dealer on a transporter to do their propriety diagnostics and fix.

Yep, seen very similar myself.

AA man with a van standing around scratching his head.  "The trouble with these cars", he said, "is that they'll always have to go back to the main dealer".

Eventually a flat-bed truck turned up and the car was whisked away.

Car in question was a two day old Rover 214GSi - the K-series engine with single-point "electronic" fuel injection.

It was the Summer of 1990.

Time moves on.  Technicians re-skill.

Well we're talking about the cars we have today. We shouldnt be making buying decisions on EVs today based on EVs might become 2050. 

In 2050 Evs might all share similar interchanable battery packs, and motor technology. All using similarly produced parts all using similar wiring so it's easy for technicans to work across brands. 

As it stands, it's not like that. 

In 2025. A failure in an EV car requires it to be sent back to main dealer and nobody else can work on them.

What was the solution in 1990 to solve the rover "back to main dealer" problem? It was avoid rover and buy german. 

Maybe apply the 1990 solution today...  

This just isn’t true. There are plenty of independent repairers for EVs. I took my Tesla to a Tesla independent specialist in Reading. There’s Cleverly who actually travel to you to carry out repairs on EVs where possible, and does component level repairs at their workshop for all the parts. Then there is chap called Gary I know who largely carries out motor repairs for Renault Zoe’s, but also all EVs. These are just three I happen to know of. 

There’s HEVRA that enables you to search for EV/hybrid specialist garages across the UK. 

Your misinformation on EVs throughout this thread is staggering…they don’t always set on fire, hardly ever. They don’t need new batteries in 7-10yrs…they don’t always have to go back to dealers for repairs. 

Please stop spreading blatant misinformation. 

Ev repair is a cottage industry, most people will be lucky to live 100 miles near an indie who can work on EVs.

The so called independant tesla specialist. Can they fix anything else other than tesla? Do they have to enrol into teslas repairer program to be certified and have access to the tesla diagnostics software?

Rich rebuilds, built his tesla. But it's unauthorised repair and tesla won't even sell him a second key because the car is blacklisted. All the features that require a callback to server are disabled. I believe he had to disable the callback altogether so the car won't get remotely shut down.

So this nonsense "indie repair" is garbage. They're not ibdependant, they work through tesla approval 

No, 'most people' are not lucky to be within 100 miles of an indie that can work on EVs. Did you even check the HEVRA website? There are hundreds of approved EV repairers across the UK, and those like Cleverly will travel to you if beyond a certain mileage from their workshop. Stop Spreading Misinformation!

They are an independent Tesla specialist. In fact they were a Ford specialist before hand. As with Cleverly, they can carry out major repairs on electrical components, including Teslas. You can keep saying black is white, but it doesn't make it true....

Honestly, why do you keep making these bold statements that are clearly false when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? It's incredibly unhelpful to other forum users looking for factual information.