Are new cars really as bad as they say?

henry24

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

I understand dealers register ICE cars but if you check cars registered this year both petrol and diesel there are 2817 compared with 1410 EVs with up to 100 miles but I don't notice anyone shouting about how good ICE sales are it's always EV supporters before they ask for more government help 

QrizB

seatbeltnoob said:

what causes fires vast majority of times wen a transporter is carring EVs?

A fault with the HGV powertrain or brakes. Just like if it was carrying ICE cars, or cheese.

seatbeltnoob

QrizB said:

seatbeltnoob said:

what causes fires vast majority of times wen a transporter is carring EVs?

A fault with the HGV powertrain or brakes. Just like if it was carrying ICE cars, or cheese.

the picture does make it seem like the ICE cars caught fire. 

forgotmyname

There are a couple of clips from cars travelling southbound on the M5 fire.  Truck cab is clearly in the late stages of the fire
because it's headlights and hazard lights are on which rules out the trucks batteries being the source.

Also the rear tyres are not on fire which would rule out any braking issues on the trailer. Need something from the beginning
of the fire but if it was a petrol or diesel I would say a car on the lower deck started it but with EV's the heat from one car easily
spreads to the next at that close proximity.

EDIT:  Just found a picture and the fire appears to be worse on the upperdeck forward of the trailers axles with the lower deck
car showing a less intense but still substantial fire.

Some people showing images from the fire on the M1 from a few years back claiming it was the October 2025 fire.

born_again

henry24 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

I understand dealers register ICE cars but if you check cars registered this year both petrol and diesel there are 2817 compared with 1410 EVs with up to 100 miles but I don't notice anyone shouting about how good ICE sales are it's always EV supporters before they ask for more government help 

TBH, EV sales need no government help. 
If they want to help in any way, then turning to councils & funding A/C chargers in car parks is the way to go. This addresses the big issue of people with no off street parking being able to find good cheap local charging. 
Just the same as they fund councils to build cycle lanes that are rarely used.

Effician

born_again said:

henry24 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

I understand dealers register ICE cars but if you check cars registered this year both petrol and diesel there are 2817 compared with 1410 EVs with up to 100 miles but I don't notice anyone shouting about how good ICE sales are it's always EV supporters before they ask for more government help 

TBH, EV sales need no government help. 
If they want to help in any way, then turning to councils & funding A/C chargers in car parks is the way to go. This addresses the big issue of people with no off street parking being able to find good cheap local charging. 
Just the same as they fund councils to build cycle lanes that are rarely used.

The gov't aren't so much helping EV's as banning all opposition to them, maybe if the Gov't were to scrap the 2030 deadline for ICE vehicles to level the field we would then see how things unfold.

henry24

Excellent idea Effician 

paul_c123

Of course the tables turn if the filling station is part of a non-payment group scheme and they decide to blanket ban that VRM from filling up with fuel (would need to be done by filling stations with the technology which can detect/read the licence plate then choose not to start the pumps). Filling stations are entitled to do this.

born_again

Effician said:

born_again said:

henry24 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

I understand dealers register ICE cars but if you check cars registered this year both petrol and diesel there are 2817 compared with 1410 EVs with up to 100 miles but I don't notice anyone shouting about how good ICE sales are it's always EV supporters before they ask for more government help 

TBH, EV sales need no government help. 
If they want to help in any way, then turning to councils & funding A/C chargers in car parks is the way to go. This addresses the big issue of people with no off street parking being able to find good cheap local charging. 
Just the same as they fund councils to build cycle lanes that are rarely used.

The gov't aren't so much helping EV's as banning all opposition to them, maybe if the Gov't were to scrap the 2030 deadline for ICE vehicles to level the field we would then see how things unfold.

No chance given they reduced it back to 2030 from 2035 😜

Effician

born_again said:

Effician said:

born_again said:

henry24 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

I understand dealers register ICE cars but if you check cars registered this year both petrol and diesel there are 2817 compared with 1410 EVs with up to 100 miles but I don't notice anyone shouting about how good ICE sales are it's always EV supporters before they ask for more government help 

TBH, EV sales need no government help. 
If they want to help in any way, then turning to councils & funding A/C chargers in car parks is the way to go. This addresses the big issue of people with no off street parking being able to find good cheap local charging. 
Just the same as they fund councils to build cycle lanes that are rarely used.

The gov't aren't so much helping EV's as banning all opposition to them, maybe if the Gov't were to scrap the 2030 deadline for ICE vehicles to level the field we would then see how things unfold.

No chance given they reduced it back to 2030 from 2035 😜

The EV market NEEDS  that ( massive help) reassurance of 2030 otherwise it all falls to pieces , charging network providers lose confidence as well as manufacturers then buyers . You do realise there will be at least 1 General Election before that date so imo it's certainly not a done deal especially with how the political landscape is evolving.