Are new cars really as bad as they say?

henry24

I know they do it with ICE cars but I've not seen anyone else showing how sales are increasing apart from you with EVs and a garage registering cars to sell them later is still fiddling the figures 
You also still haven't said what subsidy I can get buying a new diesel 

WellKnownSid

henry24 said:

I know they do it with ICE cars but I've not seen anyone else showing how sales are increasing apart from you with EVs and a garage registering cars to sell them later is still fiddling the figures 
You also still haven't said what subsidy I can get buying a new diesel 

There is no subsidy buying a new diesel, diesel is dead.  You can still pay less road tax on old ones though.

henry24

WellKnownSid said:

Diesels have been subsidised for years - and still are.  

The above is what you claimed 2 days ago that you now are saying isn't true I now doubt anything you say about EV sales 

WellKnownSid

henry24 said:

WellKnownSid said:

Diesels have been subsidised for years - and still are.  

The above is what you claimed 2 days ago that you now are saying isn't true I now doubt anything you say about EV sales 

Well until all diesels pay road tax like the rest of us it’s patently true that they are being subsidised!

Effician

WellKnownSid said:

henry24 said:

WellKnownSid said:

Diesels have been subsidised for years - and still are.  

The above is what you claimed 2 days ago that you now are saying isn't true I now doubt anything you say about EV sales 

Well until all diesels pay road tax like the rest of us it’s patently true that they are being subsidised!

So not DEAD then & a good choice still for circa 11 million UK motorists, by not spending 20k in savings on a new EV & investing instead i'm a happy diesel owner with virtually zero cost to run for our 3k miles/yr  thanks to interest on car saving fund.

When EV's get to a point where they make financial sense for me i'll get one ( they really make sense for our motoring needs) & i'd like to see the sales figures grow so a few years down the line there is more available to choose from, in the meantime it means many buyers are going to have to suffer the depreciation i'm not prepared to shoulder, after all this is the money saving forum.

henry24

As far as I'm aware all diesel owners pay road tax of different amounts set by the government unlike all EV drivers. I'm also unaware of manufacturers asking the government to lower the price of diesel cars like they do with EVs though government subsidy 

Grumpy_chap

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

kinger101

WellKnownSid said:

henry24 said:

WellKnownSid said:

Diesels have been subsidised for years - and still are.  

The above is what you claimed 2 days ago that you now are saying isn't true I now doubt anything you say about EV sales 

Well until all diesels pay road tax like the rest of us it’s patently true that they are being subsidised!

Road tax doesn't cover the cost of the road infrastructure.

WellKnownSid

henry24 said:

WellKnownSid said:

henry24 said:

WellKnownSid said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyd094168go

Be interesting to know how many are genuine sales and not just cars registered on the last day of September to fiddle the figures 

Well the data seems quite clear to me since pre-reg cars have to be logged as fleet.

So we won't be seeing these cars advertised as registered on the last day of September and manufacturer's hoping to sell them and register a 2nd hand sale 

So it turns out one will be - our neighbour bought a brand new Kia for his wife - she can’t get on with it. Says it’s awful - wants her old car back - and will be traded in with 75 miles on the clock!

So that at least answers the OP’s question - new cars really are that bad!

Effician

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

Just looked online and can find 1410 EVs registered this year some of them 75 reg all with less than 100 miles for sale are they all fleet sales 

I am not sure what that figure in isolation means or is intended to demonstrate.  One assumes it is to show the lack of demand for EV's, but I don't really know what the point was that you are trying to make.

Anyway, I just looked on Autotrader and there are 52k 2025 cars listed for sale of which 11k are EVs.  That's about 20% of the 2025 cars listed for sale are EVs which sort of matches the sales figures mentioned in this thread.  So, all cars of all types are being discounted and pre-registered to about the same extent, or so it would seem.

 
It would also appear that pre registered car activity has increased by around 23% year on year to April 2025 ( can't find to Sept 2025) but it looks like it's becoming more prevelant, if 23% is the case for Sept 2025 it would wipe most of the reported growth out, or am i missing something.