Electric cars not allowed at park home site.

Jenni_D

Arunmor said:

Many of you assume that EV batteries are of sufficient standard.

Because they are ... in 99.999999% of cases. Even the "lesser standard" batteries (e.g. early Nissan Leaf) weren't actually battery issues, they were because the car design was sub-optimal as it didn't have any active heating/cooling system.

tl;dr ... you're wrong.  

Grumpy_chap

Arunmor said:

WellKnownSid said:

Arunmor said:

I'm sure many will say that EVs and E-Bikes aren't the same, but the risks are the same.

I've never taken our EV on the London Underground or a London Bus but I'm confident it would be fine if I did.

That's very funny, you've missed your calling!

I certainly heard the announcement for WKS:
"Would the gentlemen on platform 9 3/4 with the Nissan Leaf please move along and make space for other passengers?  Move along now please, move along."

prowla

Herzlos said:

Arunmor said:

I'm sure many will say that EVs and E-Bikes aren't the same, but the risks are the same.

You can import non-standard and dodgy E-Bikes, and conversion kits into the UK, and as such there are a lot of them that are a total liability. You can't do the same with cars.

The batteries are usually more exposed, cheaper, without any active monitoring or safety features.

It's more on par with e-cigarettes but with bigger batteries. I don't imagine you'd be allowed to carry a 12v car battery on public transport either.

Presumably you'd be unlikely to be taking a (legal) rented E-bike onto the Underground, so it would tend to to be the personal ones, which aren't legal for use in public places anyway.

Grumpy_chap

Herzlos said:

 I don't imagine you'd be allowed to carry a 12v car battery on public transport either.

That subject was discussed recently:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6484073/taking-a-car-battery-on-a-tfl-bus

clive0510

Once again thanks for all the replies. this is certainly a very hot topic on here, and as you can imagine even more so around here where I live. I will keep you updated. 

Mildly_Miffed

prowla said:

Presumably you'd be unlikely to be taking a (legal) rented E-bike onto the Underground, so it would tend to to be the personal ones, which aren't legal for use in public places anyway.

You seem to be confused between e-bikes and e-scooters.

Privately owned e-bikes are very much legal for use in public places, providing they conform to construction & use regs, which all the millions sold legitimately in the UK do.

It's e-scooters which are only legal as part of the "trial" rental schemes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrically-assisted-pedal-cycles-eapcs/electrically-assisted-pedal-cycles-eapcs-in-great-britain-information-sheet

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-scooter-trials-guidance-for-users

Sea_Shell

clive0510 said:

Once again thanks for all the replies. this is certainly a very hot topic on here, and as you can imagine even more so around here where I live. I will keep you updated. 

If I were you, I'd be ringing (or emailing, get it in writing) various park/holiday home sites and asking them their policy on this.

If they are almost unanimous in allowing EVs on site, then you'll have a case to present to your site owners, that they are acting unfairly.

Good luck 

WellKnownSid

Sea_Shell said:

clive0510 said:

Once again thanks for all the replies. this is certainly a very hot topic on here, and as you can imagine even more so around here where I live. I will keep you updated. 

If I were you, I'd be ringing (or emailing, get it in writing) various park/holiday home sites and asking them their policy on this.

If they are almost unanimous in allowing EVs on site, then you'll have a case to present to your site owners, that they are acting unfairly.

Good luck 

I think it'll very much depend on the capacity for independent thought of the site owners.

We've been to several sites across the UK for family holidays over the last few years.  They fall into one of two camps - those that have EVSEs installed, and those that are apologetic that they haven't got them in yet.

Presumably the logistics of fire-fighting capability including 20th century hydrants and equipment along with compatible insurance policies mean it's possible, just a hoop too far.

As others have said, market forces will inevitably force common sense to kick in.

LightFlare

Sea_Shell said:

clive0510 said:

Once again thanks for all the replies. this is certainly a very hot topic on here, and as you can imagine even more so around here where I live. I will keep you updated. 

If I were you, I'd be ringing (or emailing, get it in writing) various park/holiday home sites and asking them their policy on this.

If they are almost unanimous in allowing EVs on site, then you'll have a case to present to your site owners, that they are acting unfairly.

Good luck 

As I said many posts ago - that’s irrelevant if their insurance say no.

Unless the residents are willing to pay any increase in premium for an insurer that will accept EVs

ComicGeek

Jenni_D said:

Arunmor said:

Many of you assume that EV batteries are of sufficient standard.

Because they are ... in 99.999999% of cases. Even the "lesser standard" batteries (e.g. early Nissan Leaf) weren't actually battery issues, they were because the car design was sub-optimal as it didn't have any active heating/cooling system.

tl;dr ... you're wrong.  

Ok, I'll bite - for background, I have 2 EVs at home but I'm also a chartered engineer specialising in renewable energy, electrical and battery storage, and involved with fire risk and strategy on lots of schemes.

Risk assessments have to consider the likelihood of something happening and the consequences of that something happening. Somethings happen very rarely but have huge consequences - wearing seatbelts reduces the risk of death for drivers by 50%, but equally you could drive every day without one and not ever need it. People generally have a very distorted view of risk, particularly if it's an action that they repeat multiple times.

Studies have shown that even minor collisions can cause internal damage to batteries, which can increase the risk of fires. No one would ever know that their new or second hand EV had damage, so frankly no one can say that they are 99.99999% safe - that also doesn't mean that they are all unsafe, just that there is an unquantifiable risk that could have a significant consequence.

On that basis, if the primary intention is to protect property, it would entirely reasonable to require EVs to park away from the property. The EVs might not be the most likely source of fire, but would certainly increase the fire risk. It's also likely that the risk assessment doesn't apply the same rigorous assessment process to more established risks like petrol vehicles, gas cannisters, home BBQs, lithium batteries etc due to assessor bias, and the fact that we mentally accept a certain level of risk anyway in our day-to-day lives.