Electric cars not allowed at park home site.

born_again

Bigphil1474 said:

Would also depend on the park. My auntie lives on one in a leafy rural woodland setting. It's a beautiful place to live, but it would be a forest fire of epic precautions if a major EV fire happened. Through work, I deal with safety at large music events and the fire brigade are now talking about having separate car parks for EV's due to the risk of a major fire spreading across hundreds of cars.

Would have thought a Hybrid would be fine, but think XRS above has the best solution - parking/charging area away from the homes so even if they do set on fire, they don't do any major damage to the park.

Actually worse than a full EV, as if ICE catches fire it will then send battery into thermal runaway.

Bigphil1474

Wouldn't that be offset by the smaller batteries though? As I said, that's what I would have thought, but if you know better. Mind you, I've been driving 37 years and never had a car fire. They must be pretty rare.

lordmountararat

Bigphil1474 said:

Wouldn't that be offset by the smaller batteries though? As I said, that's what I would have thought, but if you know better. Mind you, I've been driving 37 years and never had a car fire. They must be pretty rare.

According to statistics from a US survey, on average 5 EVs in every 100,000 are likely to catch fire, whereas with ICE cars it is 17 in 100,000. I'll try and find the link.

Jenni_D

I read somewhere that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles, pro-rata. (So accounting for the number of vehicles on the road).

Edit: from the Little Book of EV Myths (published by the Stop Burning Stuff group)

The fire service estimate there are around 100,000 vehicle fires every year in the UK and records for 2022 to 2023 show only 239 EV fires – or 0.24%. The Swedish Contingencies Agency reported that ‘Petrol and diesel cars are 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs’. In 2022 611,000 vehicle fires were recorded in Sweden of which 23 were EV fires – or 0.004%. 

In America, data from the National Transportation Safety Board reported that battery-powered vehicles suffer 25 fires for every 100,000 sold, compared to 1,530 fires for petrol vehicles. In 2023 US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ, released a report ‘Gas vs Electric Car Fires (2023 Findings)’ noting that “based on this data electric cars don’t catch fire nearly as much as the news claims.” But it is important to understand that putting out an EV battery fire does take much longer than an ICE vehicle fire.

Arunmor

Many ferry companies ban or restrict EVs I imagine the park is following their logic.  The risk is just too high

1. Norway

• Fjord1 and Norled (major ferry operators) have banned certain EVs (like the Nissan Leaf) due to past fire incidents.

• Some routes require EVs to turn off their ignition during transit.

2. Denmark

• Scandlines (operating between Denmark and Germany) restricts EVs with damaged batteries or those involved in prior accidents.

3. Sweden

• Stena Line has temporarily banned EVs on some routes after safety assessments.

• TT-Line (Sweden-Germany) imposes extra fees and restrictions for EVs.

4. Finland

• Viking Line and Tallink Silja require special permits for certain EVs.

5. Germany

• Some ferry operators require fireproof blankets for EVs.

6. Greece

• ANEK Lines and Minoan Lines have partial restrictions on EVs, especially in high temperatures.

7. Australia

• TT-Line (operating between Tasmania and mainland Australia) bans EVs unless they have special approval.

8. United States (Alaska)

• The Alaska Marine Highway System has restrictions on EVs due to long travel times and limited firefighting capabilities.

Iceweasel

Several ferry companies operating out of the UK - Irish Ferries, P&O included, are actually now providing FREE charging points on board, so that EVs can set off on their onward journeys fully charged.

Mildly_Miffed

Bigwheels1111 said:

I do not own an EV, but friends do.
None have had any charging issues, or caught fire.
As a precaution they have all decided to only charge on an open drive and not in the garage.
4 could not get house insurance this year, until they agreed no garage charging, price doubled.

I'm just renewing my house insurance at the moment.

Nobody - not one insurer, not one comparison engine - is asking if I own a BEV or PHEV or where I charge it.

There was a big house fire near here recently, which started in a garage. The photos on the local media outlets all showed a car completely engulfed in flames inside the garage.
All the conspiracy theorist commenters were blaming EV charging...
It was a diesel Polo.

Iceweasel

Has anyone ever actually tried setting fire to diesel.
It's very difficult.
I once saw a fireman (under safe controlled conditions) pour a litre of diesel in a metal bucket and drop a match in.
The match was extinguished.
He then did the same with a much smaller amount of petrol .....
Do NOT try to replicate that experiment / demonstration.

MattMattMattUK

Iceweasel said:

Has anyone ever actually tried setting fire to diesel.
It's very difficult.
I once saw a fireman (under safe controlled conditions) pour a litre of diesel in a metal bucket and drop a match in.
The match was extinguished.
He then did the same with a much smaller amount of petrol .....
Do NOT try to replicate that experiment / demonstration.

Yes, and it entirely depends on circumstances, cold diesel no, really difficult to get it to ignite, onto a hot surface such as a large ICE engine block, quite easy to get it to ignite and it auto ignites at about 210c, which is possible in a vehicle fire, petrol is easier to ignite cold, bio-ethanol even easier still. Meanwhile, hold a match to a lithium battery and nothing happens. 

Jenni_D

MattMattMattUK said:

Iceweasel said:

Has anyone ever actually tried setting fire to diesel.
It's very difficult.
I once saw a fireman (under safe controlled conditions) pour a litre of diesel in a metal bucket and drop a match in.
The match was extinguished.
He then did the same with a much smaller amount of petrol .....
Do NOT try to replicate that experiment / demonstration.

Yes, and it entirely depends on circumstances, cold diesel no, really difficult to get it to ignite, onto a hot surface such as a large ICE engine block, quite easy to get it to ignite and it auto ignites at about 210c, which is possible in a vehicle fire, petrol is easier to ignite cold, bio-ethanol even easier still. Meanwhile, hold a match to a lithium battery and nothing happens. 

Hammer a metal nail through the BYD Blade battery and nothing happens either.