Electric cars not allowed at park home site.

eskbanker

born_again said:

Go back & argue that the risk of fire is far higher in petrol/diesel cars. Are they going to ban them as well?

Just one of many sources.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/safety/electric-vehicles

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

But those statistics can be interpreted in multiple ways - if, for the sake of argument, 1% of cars in London were electric in 2019, these were proportionally nearly three times more likely to catch fire than ICE ones....

Bluebell1000

eskbanker said:

born_again said:

Go back & argue that the risk of fire is far higher in petrol/diesel cars. Are they going to ban them as well?

Just one of many sources.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/safety/electric-vehicles

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

But those statistics can be interpreted in multiple ways - if, for the sake of argument, 1% of cars in London were electric in 2019, these were proportionally nearly three times more likely to catch fire than ICE ones....

Try https://greenfleet.net/features/13122024/persistant-ev-myths-lets-put-out-fire for some relative stats.

Car_54

letom said:

Therefore the scale of damage of one EV is significantly higher than an ICE which unlike a EV reacts more positively to water being used to put it out..

Please explain. I have always been told never to use water on a petrol fire.

eskbanker

Bluebell1000 said:

eskbanker said:

born_again said:

Go back & argue that the risk of fire is far higher in petrol/diesel cars. Are they going to ban them as well?

Just one of many sources.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/safety/electric-vehicles

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

But those statistics can be interpreted in multiple ways - if, for the sake of argument, 1% of cars in London were electric in 2019, these were proportionally nearly three times more likely to catch fire than ICE ones....

Try https://greenfleet.net/features/13122024/persistant-ev-myths-lets-put-out-fire for some relative stats.

Thanks - for the avoidance of doubt I wasn't actually trying to argue that EVs were more likely to become toast, but was just highlighting that the LFB figures didn't support the counter-argument!

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Car_54 said:

letom said:

Therefore the scale of damage of one EV is significantly higher than an ICE which unlike a EV reacts more positively to water being used to put it out..

Please explain. I have always been told never to use water on a petrol fire.

From what I gather from the media and TV,

When the Fire Brigade turn up to a car fire they put water on it. Lots and lots and lots of cold water very quickly.

Eventually it will go out. Anything will go out eventually if they use enough water. (The reactive metal will fizzle, but the fire will be out) They have foam for fuel & liquid fires, but only use it if they really have to as there are environmental considerations- it can't go down the drains or into waterways.

According to this article round a 1000 litres of water (Which is only 1m3 or a tonne- a big Fire Engine carries twice that internally)  will put out the average ICE car fire, but 30,000 litres are needed for an EV.

https://www.essex-fire.gov.uk/news/essex-firefighters-adapt-new-hazards-electric-vehicle-fires

If you put a tiddly little bit of water on a petrol fire from a garden hose or a bucket it will just spread it about, there isn’t enough flow to have the required cooling effect.

WellKnownSid

I don’t think the issue is with EVs per se but the much higher risk associated with park homes.

https://parkhomes.lease-advice.org/article/fire-safety-and-park-homes/

Grumpy_chap

clive0510 said:

I live in a park home on a residential site. All the residents here have been furnished with a letter informing us that all electric vehicles are to be excluded from the site, due to the fire risk. My take on that, is that given the governments big push to promote electric vehicles, we eventually will not be able to have a car. I'm just wondering if there are any other park home owners on here, and if so are you faced with the same dilemma?

I wonder whether this is linked to a commercial decision related to charging rather than really being linked to fire safety.
How is electricity paid for by each unit?
Would there be a significant investment required to upgrade the site to include an adequate number of charge points and / or individual cars being charged from units via granny-charger?

Ultimately, the site may find the policy to be short-sighted.
The prevalence of EV's will increase and any business with a "no EV" policy will loose out to competitors. 

prowla

Are they going to ban TVs, cookers, and washing machines too?

Stubod

...OMG...what about mobile phones!!!!!!...will they ban those as well?????

Grumpy_chap

prowla said:

ban cookers

There's an idea - everyone could cook on an open fire or BBQ and connect with nature.