Have we ever been in a worse car buying era I don't know where to turn next.

MattMattMattUK

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Many EVs will easily do in excess of 200 miles on a single charge. Anything from Tesla, the 64kWh Leaf models, more than half of the Kia and Hyundai models etc.

If you look at manufactuer MPG figures compared to real-life figures, a substantial reduction is normal.

They might, but I know people who have 64kWh Leafs and have no issue going over 200 miles on a charge, and Tesla drivers regularly push over that.

motorguy

henry24 said:

But if they are better them things wouldn't matter but at the moment they aren't better 

Why do they need to be "better".  And the only thing they dont seem to be "better" at is if someone wants to drive hundreds of miles non stop.

In many other ways they're already better.

henry24

They need to be better so people will buy them like they do ICE cars without up to 40% discount and government help, it needs to be a level playing field 

Baldytyke88

MattMattMattUK said:

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Many EVs will easily do in excess of 200 miles on a single charge. Anything from Tesla, the 64kWh Leaf models, more than half of the Kia and Hyundai models etc.

If you look at manufactuer MPG figures compared to real-life figures, a substantial reduction is normal.

They might, but I know people who have 64kWh Leafs and have no issue going over 200 miles on a charge, and Tesla drivers regularly push over that.

The latest technology and its range is 140 miles, according to manufacturer figures; it is cheap though.

When going to the coast, people don't always choose the closest.

If I had this Dacia I would want a resort with plenty of charging points.

I do support the introduction of EVs, but I don't see them as an answer to climate change. Governments like to tax people with cars because they are a easily identifiable asset, they need to be taxed more. There is a long way to go, before people favour them.

https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/ref/cc_nuadhdcqlku1fflq?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9667BhDoARIsANnamQYc9KbS09wkYAtTEh7Qn_LvJsQ1E73wA3uc6W_t2ZCNeS0Wmm93FEEaAmsAEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

jeffuk

mgfvvc said:

subjecttocontract said:
I didn't think we had electric commercial vehicles with sufficient range for everyone ?

Most commercial vehicles don't travel that far, so EVs may be suitable for the majority, if not everyone,

I think the poster is referring to HGVs no?

How does the range of an electric HGV compare to a diesel HGV?

The average range of the electric trucks we reviewed is 220 km, far lower than that of a diesel HGV. A typical diesel HGV can travel over 1,200 km on a full tank of diesel. This long-range, combined with a more established network of refuelling stations, is one why diesel vehicles have dominated the freight industry and it has been challenging for Electric trucks to HGVs.

The Electric HGV / Lorry Guide 2024 | Electric Car Guide

Baldytyke88

jeffuk said:

I think the poster is referring to HGVs no?

I take my works VW Crafter home, which is one reason a works EV is not practical.

letom

mgfvvc said:

letom said:

Ultimately we are being pushed towards an inferior product, it's best to just be honest about this

Ultimately this is nonsense.

Battery electric vehicles are superior in most respects, but everyone obsesses about range, charging times and exaggerated battery degradation issues.

For most people the range of an EV is sufficient for 95% of journeys. The two real problems are charging infrastructure for those without easy access to a driveway or travelling more than 200 miles in a day and manufacturers over complicating EVs instead of producing simple affordable EVs.

The point my post was making is EVs are inferior to ICE, not that they are bad products, there's a difference. Your post just proves the point, ICE works for 100% of journeys not just 95%. Again my point is the fundamental thing a car needs to do is for the car to get you from A to B. If you have an EV, whether you like it or not, you have to consider whether it can get you from A to B - this is not a concern with ICE mostly because within 5 mins you have 500+ miles. This core weakness of an EV is why people aren't switching to EVs - it logical, if it was better people would move to it, we're in the age of information

motorguy

henry24 said:

They need to be better so people will buy them like they do ICE cars without up to 40% discount and government help, it needs to be a level playing field 

No they dont.

The issue is on paper they are more expensive to buy new.  Combined with the other reasons, people are unsure.

I say "on paper", as once you get in to the PCP or leasing deals - on which nearly all new cars are bought - they're no more expensive for the monthlies as their ICE equivalents.

motorguy

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Many EVs will easily do in excess of 200 miles on a single charge. Anything from Tesla, the 64kWh Leaf models, more than half of the Kia and Hyundai models etc.

If you look at manufactuer MPG figures compared to real-life figures, a substantial reduction is normal.

They might, but I know people who have 64kWh Leafs and have no issue going over 200 miles on a charge, and Tesla drivers regularly push over that.

The latest technology and its range is 140 miles, according to manufacturer figures; it is cheap though.

When going to the coast, people don't always choose the closest.

If I had this Dacia I would want a resort with plenty of charging points.

I do support the introduction of EVs, but I don't see them as an answer to climate change. Governments like to tax people with cars because they are a easily identifiable asset, they need to be taxed more. There is a long way to go, before people favour them.

https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/ref/cc_nuadhdcqlku1fflq?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9667BhDoARIsANnamQYc9KbS09wkYAtTEh7Qn_LvJsQ1E73wA3uc6W_t2ZCNeS0Wmm93FEEaAmsAEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Whos pitching them as an answer to climate change?  Clearly they're not.

They do, however remove pollutants puffing in to everyones faces in towns and city centres.

Also, we really need to stop relying on burning the earths resources to move us all about.

Emmia

motorguy said:

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Baldytyke88 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Many EVs will easily do in excess of 200 miles on a single charge. Anything from Tesla, the 64kWh Leaf models, more than half of the Kia and Hyundai models etc.

If you look at manufactuer MPG figures compared to real-life figures, a substantial reduction is normal.

They might, but I know people who have 64kWh Leafs and have no issue going over 200 miles on a charge, and Tesla drivers regularly push over that.

The latest technology and its range is 140 miles, according to manufacturer figures; it is cheap though.

When going to the coast, people don't always choose the closest.

If I had this Dacia I would want a resort with plenty of charging points.

I do support the introduction of EVs, but I don't see them as an answer to climate change. Governments like to tax people with cars because they are a easily identifiable asset, they need to be taxed more. There is a long way to go, before people favour them.

https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/ref/cc_nuadhdcqlku1fflq?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9667BhDoARIsANnamQYc9KbS09wkYAtTEh7Qn_LvJsQ1E73wA3uc6W_t2ZCNeS0Wmm93FEEaAmsAEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Whos pitching them as an answer to climate change?  Clearly they're not.

They do, however remove pollutants puffing in to everyones faces in towns and city centres.

Also, we really need to stop relying on burning the earths resources to move us all about.

That's not quite true, EVs being heavier than ICE equivalents cause more tyre wear, and a particularly bad form of particulate pollution. They're not pollution free.

But really there need to be fewer cars on the roads overall, that means people giving up ICEs or EVs and not buying another.  This is something of a NIMBY problem, as people almost always will want someone else to give up their car...