Have we ever been in a worse car buying era I don't know where to turn next.

booneruk

Mildly_Miffed said:

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

Indeed, we can only take care of our own house.

As I mentioned previously, why wouldn't we want to wean ourselves off the finite resource that is fossil fuels and get us on a clean, renewable supply that would help obtain energy security and independence?

Baldytyke88

born_again said:

You park next to lamppost, & the cable go straight to car, no trailing wires across footpath etc.

As per this

https://ubitricity.com/en/charging-solutions/ac-lamppost/

That is an improvement, something I havnt seen before; but its still electricity from a company, your own domestic electricity is much cheaper.

Mildly_Miffed

Baldytyke88 said:

born_again said:

You park next to lamppost, & the cable go straight to car, no trailing wires across footpath etc.

As per this

https://ubitricity.com/en/charging-solutions/ac-lamppost/

That is an improvement, something I havnt seen before; but its still electricity from a company, your own domestic electricity is much cheaper.

As has already been said - that's merely a billing question, and one that's eminently resolvable with a bit of will on the part of the electricity companies.

Nobbie1967

Mildly_Miffed said:

Nobbie1967 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel.

That’s simply untrue. Coal will be a bigger source of power than renewables for many years to come. China relies on it for their economic growth.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/222066/projected-global-energy-consumption-by-source/

27% now, globally, down to 17% in 2050?

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

Just to remind you what you stated:

“Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel”

Thanks for providing the figures to prove yourself wrong unless you call 27% of global power a “trivial niche fuel”🤔

Mildly_Miffed

Nobbie1967 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Nobbie1967 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel.

That’s simply untrue. Coal will be a bigger source of power than renewables for many years to come. China relies on it for their economic growth.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/222066/projected-global-energy-consumption-by-source/

27% now, globally, down to 17% in 2050?

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

Just to remind you what you stated:

“Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel”

Thanks for providing the figures to prove yourself wrong unless you call 27% of global power a “trivial niche fuel”🤔

Most of that use is in a few countries either developing rapidly, or with a stubborn refusal to change for political reasons.

China is predominately using it as a short-term stopgap to help increase total consumption rapidly while the hitherto undeveloped portions of the country develop. In 2018, they were at 2/3 fossil (almost all coal), but they hit their 50% renewable target in 2023.
India is on target to hit 50% by 2030, from 16% in 2010.
Indonesia is further back, but heading to 26% by 2030.
Those three countries are more than two-thirds of all coal production and use.

The next three biggest are the US and Australia (powerful mining lobbies), and Russia (an autocratic basketcase). Between the three of them, they're about a third of China's use, or twice Indonesia's.

So, yes, in a wider global context, I stand by "trivial niche", especially compared to where it was just a couple of decades ago - and it's shrinking rapidly.

subjecttocontract

Mildly_Miffed said:

Nobbie1967 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel.

That’s simply untrue. Coal will be a bigger source of power than renewables for many years to come. China relies on it for their economic growth.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/222066/projected-global-energy-consumption-by-source/

27% now, globally, down to 17% in 2050?

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

My domestic electricity consumption in the UK is already 100% renewable. My decision to go renewable was nothing to do with wanting to save the planet..... it was all driven by lower cost. 

born_again

subjecttocontract said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Nobbie1967 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Coal used to be the main fossil fuel. It's now a trivial niche fuel.

That’s simply untrue. Coal will be a bigger source of power than renewables for many years to come. China relies on it for their economic growth.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/222066/projected-global-energy-consumption-by-source/

27% now, globally, down to 17% in 2050?

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

My domestic electricity consumption in the UK is already 100% renewable. My decision to go renewable was nothing to with wanting to save the planet..... it was all driven by lower cost. 

So do you have a off grid supply?

If not then, then your supplier may use that in their spiel. 
But it is simply not true. Everybody receives supply from the same sources.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Shows the % of power supply from various sources.
👍

Mildly_Miffed

subjecttocontract said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Meanwhile, the UK is now on 0% for electricity generation. As recently as 1990, 80% of the UK's 100+ million tonnes of annual coal use was in power stations.

Right now, 70% of our electricity is renewable and 87% carbon neutral.
The average for the first half of 2024 was just over 50% renewable electricity generation, with over 40% of the country's total energy being renewable.

Fossil electricity generation was down to a third averaged over the whole of 2023.

My domestic electricity consumption in the UK is already 100% renewable. My decision to go renewable was nothing to with wanting to save the planet..... it was all driven by lower cost. 

How do they split off the dirty electrons at your meter?

subjecttocontract

Yes I have a solar installation and any grid supply is via Octopus. Their web site says their supply is 100% renewable.

Arunmor

Mildly_Miffed said:

So, yes, in a wider global context, I stand by "trivial niche", especially compared to where it was just a couple of decades ago - and it's shrinking rapidly.

I think you will find Coal output is at all time highs, so not shrinking at all and therefore not trivial at all.  In 2024, global coal demand is expected to reach a record high of 8.77 billion tonnes, a 1% increase from 2023

I also don't think it is very clever using pejorative language to describe people or groups you don't agree with, you've done it a few times now.