Moving over from ESA Support group to UC advice.

poppy12345

TimeLord1 said:

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TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

How long have you been on the ESA Support Group? If it's from around late 2017, everyone was assessed to establish if they had an entitlement to LCWRA, which was completed around late 2019, mostly done by paper-based decision. So many people don't even know this.

I remember you saying this in a previous thread sometime ago but I’m still not convinced with your logic. I was last reviewed for my ESA just as the first covid lockdown was announced and I received my form in the post like I always did. 

Yes looking back at the start of this in the news was October 2016 and completed over three years so just before lockdown was completed and reassessment suspended around 2020 but those with severe conditions which will never get better would never be assessed again. But as decisions people were given with Support Group outcomes a LCWRA decision but unless you requested the report it wasn't made clear to anyone. I requested an ESA85A back in 2018 to find out what Damian Green mentioned in 2016 about anyone with LCWRA with a severe condition would no longer being assessed and given an LCWRA 

Yes but this doesn’t apply to everyone. It doesn’t apply to me, even though my conditions are life long with 3 diagnosed conditions. This applied from 28th September 2017. https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2022-0860/137._Severe_Conditions_V3.0.pdf

I'll read that in a bit.

When was your last assessment on ESA ? But regardless of how long that was requesting the last report should still be on the system if they do some searching they won't read it out but should still send that if required.  

I received the last ESA50 form just as they announced the first lockdown in March 2020 and I had the decision on that review in around July 2020. I have the assessment report and it doesn't give such information on it. I am aware of the criteria involved and I know that it's not limited to conditions listed in the link I provided. 

I was aware of this when it was first introduced. 

It does seem that unless you reported a change nothing has happened since that time. I think after that was the underpayments with people who weren't assessed for income related entitlement.

I've been claiming ESA since 2012 and have always been in the Support Group/LCWRA and I've never needed to report any changes. That review was a normal review, the same as all the previous ones I've had. Since that time for the majority of people with LCWRA reviews have been suspended. 

TimeLord1

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

How long have you been on the ESA Support Group? If it's from around late 2017, everyone was assessed to establish if they had an entitlement to LCWRA, which was completed around late 2019, mostly done by paper-based decision. So many people don't even know this.

I remember you saying this in a previous thread sometime ago but I’m still not convinced with your logic. I was last reviewed for my ESA just as the first covid lockdown was announced and I received my form in the post like I always did. 

Yes looking back at the start of this in the news was October 2016 and completed over three years so just before lockdown was completed and reassessment suspended around 2020 but those with severe conditions which will never get better would never be assessed again. But as decisions people were given with Support Group outcomes a LCWRA decision but unless you requested the report it wasn't made clear to anyone. I requested an ESA85A back in 2018 to find out what Damian Green mentioned in 2016 about anyone with LCWRA with a severe condition would no longer being assessed and given an LCWRA 

Yes but this doesn’t apply to everyone. It doesn’t apply to me, even though my conditions are life long with 3 diagnosed conditions. This applied from 28th September 2017. https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2022-0860/137._Severe_Conditions_V3.0.pdf

I'll read that in a bit.

When was your last assessment on ESA ? But regardless of how long that was requesting the last report should still be on the system if they do some searching they won't read it out but should still send that if required.  

I received the last ESA50 form just as they announced the first lockdown in March 2020 and I had the decision on that review in around July 2020. I have the assessment report and it doesn't give such information on it. I am aware of the criteria involved and I know that it's not limited to conditions listed in the link I provided. 

I was aware of this when it was first introduced. 

It does seem that unless you reported a change nothing has happened since that time. I think after that was the underpayments with people who weren't assessed for income related entitlement.

I've been claiming ESA since 2012 and have always been in the Support Group/LCWRA and I've never needed to report any changes. That review was a normal review, the same as all the previous ones I've had. Since that time for the majority of people with LCWRA reviews have been suspended. 

I think I was first contacted around October 2011 by ATOS about moving to ESA that went on almost a year to settle down. It was a draining time I lost trust in a lot back then. 

Robbie64

TimeLord1 said:

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

How long have you been on the ESA Support Group? If it's from around late 2017, everyone was assessed to establish if they had an entitlement to LCWRA, which was completed around late 2019, mostly done by paper-based decision. So many people don't even know this.

I remember you saying this in a previous thread sometime ago but I’m still not convinced with your logic. I was last reviewed for my ESA just as the first covid lockdown was announced and I received my form in the post like I always did. 

Yes looking back at the start of this in the news was October 2016 and completed over three years so just before lockdown was completed and reassessment suspended around 2020 but those with severe conditions which will never get better would never be assessed again. But as decisions people were given with Support Group outcomes a LCWRA decision but unless you requested the report it wasn't made clear to anyone. I requested an ESA85A back in 2018 to find out what Damian Green mentioned in 2016 about anyone with LCWRA with a severe condition would no longer being assessed and given an LCWRA 

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying in your post, but the exact wording of the above Advice given on the ESA85A is on the ESA85A of everyone who is placed in the Support Group / LCWRA. It's a standard line and it simply means that you meet at least one of the criteria for LCWRA. It's on mine and I was placed in the Support Group with a 12 month review date (I'm due to be sent an ESA50 at the end of this month as my review date is 29/04/25 - the ESA50 form is meant to be sent 8 weeks before the review date - but hopefully it gets pushed back to somewhere in the distant future). The LCW / WRAG equivalent ESA85A advice says something along the lines of:

"I advise that the person meets the criteria for having limited capability for work" - that was on my ESA85A back in 2013.

TimeLord1

@Robbie64 Basically  the exemption criteria and UC migration which I don't think anyone will find anything solid because they thrive on leaving people guessing.

P.s I bet you won't hear anything about an assessment I think most people are 5+ years past prognosis dates. And eventually will see a paper based tick box was completed unbeknown to the claimant.

Robbie64

TimeLord1 said:

@Robbie64 Basically  the exemption criteria and UC migration which I don't think anyone will find anything solid because they thrive on leaving people guessing.

P.s I bet you won't hear anything about an assessment I think most people are 5+ years past prognosis dates. And eventually will see a paper based tick box was completed unbeknown to the claimant.

I'm hoping I don't hear anything, at least for a long time!

TimeLord1

R the obbie64 said:

TimeLord1 said:

@Robbie64 Basically  the exemption criteria and UC migration which I don't think anyone will find anything solid because they thrive on leaving people guessing.

P.s I bet you won't hear anything about an assessment I think most people are 5+ years past prognosis dates. And eventually will see a paper based tick box was completed unbeknown to the claimant.

I'm hoping I don't hear anything, at least for a long time!

I don't think so Robbie, they don't even have all the people in place or contracts to complete a huge backlog, so adding to an existing problem reviewing people won't achieve nothing new. We will see in April what they do but again that's going to be new claims.

HillStreetBlues

I had my last WCA 18 months ago, I'm expecting it to be my final one.

huckster

I don't think the WCA process is sustainable to keep and Government may have to replace it.  There are just too many people and not enough assessors.  

Appears to me that the option to have a joint PIP and WCA as one assessment is likely to be implemented at some point. And Government will look to change legislation so that it is more difficult to qualify for awards, as part of the objective to have more people available for employment and reduce benefit cost.

Spoonie_Turtle

huckster said:

… And Government will look to change legislation so that it is more difficult to qualify for awards, as part of the objective to have more people available for employment and reduce benefit cost.

Which we know is a flawed basis, because people whose circumstances mean they can work are available to do so even if they are claiming LCWRA, it's not as if they're not allowed to work or even limited by hours and earnings like ESA was.  If people are able to work, the availability and accessibility of suitable jobs is the issue, not the fact they claim benefits.

huckster

Spoonie_Turtle said:

huckster said:

… And Government will look to change legislation so that it is more difficult to qualify for awards, as part of the objective to have more people available for employment and reduce benefit cost.

Which we know is a flawed basis, because people whose circumstances mean they can work are available to do so even if they are claiming LCWRA, it's not as if they're not allowed to work or even limited by hours and earnings like ESA was.  If people are able to work, the availability and accessibility of suitable jobs is the issue, not the fact they claim benefits.

 Agree,  but some with LCWRA may believe that Government are signalling using this award that they should not work and are paying them extra so they don't need to.

Government does need to do more to get employers to offer employment to disabled, as the disability confident scheme is not currently adequate.