7 consecutive parking tickets

Coupon-mad

eamax said:

update: 

had a call from dcbl saying they will settle for £400 which we refused then a few days later had an email from dcbl saying

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We act for the Claimant.
Please find attached our Client's Witness Statement for the hearing.
We confirm it has been filed with the Court.

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there is a long file attached around 70 pages, which i guess its normal.

its a witness statement 

when on log into mcol its does not show as being submitted to the court, yet.

could you please advice on how proceed?

What happened at the preliminary hearing?

It was last week.

eamax

Coupon-mad said:

eamax said:

update: 

had a call from dcbl saying they will settle for £400 which we refused then a few days later had an email from dcbl saying

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We act for the Claimant.
Please find attached our Client's Witness Statement for the hearing.
We confirm it has been filed with the Court.

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there is a long file attached around 70 pages, which i guess its normal.

its a witness statement 

when on log into mcol its does not show as being submitted to the court, yet.

could you please advice on how proceed?

What happened at the preliminary hearing?

It was last week.

so, we went to the hearing, prepared a WS, and presented it, dbcl had someone present there as well.

judge said there will be a proper hearing, in the meantime dcbl person offered us £300 to settle, and i said no and again after a lot of back and forth, my dad as hes old and has had enough said he will be happy to pay that in instalments, like £20 a month, dcbl person agreed.

this was all happening outside the room btw.

as i was talking to dcbl guy, i said i need to be reassured that the whole case is settled, (not sure if this was a good or bad decision by me, but i need the whole thing to go away and i dont want them to start another court procedure for the other PCNs)  i.e. 7 PCN are settled for £300 instead of the 4 in this case.

he said that he can not make such assurances and this was only for the 4 PCNs, and if they (UK Parking, DCBL, ZZPS, QDR solicitors etc) decided to persue the other 3 PCN they might do that in future.

so i said i wont be happy to settle for £300 and then hope that they wont take further action for other PCNs.

we went back in and mentioned this to the judge, judge said this does not make sense, and she couldnt think of a reason why dcbl has brought only 4 of the PCNs to court, and said that the whole thing needs to be addressed and settled.

judge said to dcbl guy to inform his client about this and said there will be another preliminary hearing at a later date when all of PCNs are addressed, i think she said in about 4 weeks time, but not too sure now

so for now we are waiting for letters/emails from the court or dcbl/uk parking.     

Coupon-mad

Thank goodness you didn't agree in the end.

At the next hearing, please protect your Dad from speaking to reps outside. Don't go to the loo leaving him sitting there or he could get bullied into agreeing settlement before you even get before the judge!

The advice is always NEVER agree to a chat with the rep.  Polite "NO".

eamax

update. we have/had a hearing on 28th august, had this email. what could this mean? 

this was from the court

"Good afternoon,

The above case is listed for hearing on Thursday 28th August 2025.

I do need to put you on notice that we do not currently have a Judge to hear this case and there is a high possibility this matter will have to be removed from the list, we will continue to try and secure a Judge but as the hearing is soon approaching this is looking less likely that we will be able to do so. This case may be vacated at short notice (the day before) if we are unable to accommodate the matter.

If you do not receive any further email from the court your case shall remain listed.

Kind regards,

Listing Officer "

Coupon-mad

It means what it says: the preliminary hearing (that you say 'the judge said to dcbl guy to inform his client about this and said there will be another preliminary hearing at a later date when all of PCNs are addressed') may not happen next week.

The Claimants won't like that as they won't know whether to pay a legal rep or not!

They have also NOT provided any evidence about the other PCNs, nor have they applied for 'relief from sanctions' and permission to amend their claim to include those extra PCNs.

So they'll struggle. Expect desperate emails from DCB Legal on Tuesday with an offer to settle!

We would NOT tell the Defendant to settle but he needs you with him and MUST attend all hearings or it could go pear-shaped behind your backs, if a bad judge glances at the case file with no input from the Defendant. In any event you/he will have to phone the court the day before, to see if this preliminary 30 minute?) hearing is happening or not.

DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN:

"this was all happening outside the room btw.as i was talking to dcbl guy"

DO NOT CHAT OUTSIDE BEFORE THE HEARING. IF THE REP ASKS, POLITELY SAY NO!

Do not be bullied. You need a judge to hear the case. No settlements.

eamax

Coupon-mad said:

They have also NOT provided any evidence about the other PCNs, nor have they applied for 'relief from sanctions' and permission to amend their claim to include those extra PCNs.

i think you are correct, we did email them saying as judge has ordered please add all the PCNs to the case, but they came back to us and said, no they can not do it, and this case is only for those 4 tickets, and 2 other pcns are not included and also the very first ticket was not instructed 

their email:

"" DCB Legal reference 1

 

We can confirm that Claim **********relates to the following Parking Charges only: -

 

• PCN 2
• PCN 3
• PCN 4
• PCN 5

 

As such, the Proposed Tomlin Order is in relation to the above Parking Charges only.

 Should you be agreeable, please return a signed copy of the attached Tomlin Order immediately.

  

DCB Legal reference 2

 

We can confirm that a Claim has not yet been issued issued in relation to the following Parking Charges: -

 

• PCN 6
• PCN 7

 

If you wish to settle the above Parking Charges, please contact ur offices on  0203 434 0433 to discuss this further.

 

Parking Charge **** FIRST PCN ****

 We can confirm that DCB Legal are not instructed on this Parking Charge, as such we cannot discuss this Parking Charge further.

 

eamax

just a quick update, court for tommorrow has been cancelled, no judge available  "with regret we do not have a Judge to hear this case"

eamax

Coupon-mad said:

eamax said:

just a quick update, court for tomorrow has been cancelled, no judge available  "with regret we do not have a Judge to hear this case"

OK. As expected.

Do the Public Consultation while you wait. It. closes next week and takes a while!

And reply to that email and cc in the local court - clearly reject (AND DO NOT ATTACH - REMOVE!) the draft Tomlin Order and remind both recipients that this hearing was ordered by the previous judge to be a preliminary hearing at which all of PCNs are addressed'. The Claimant's refusal to apply to amend their claim accordingly is noted.

Attach a list of any hearing 'unavailable dates' (or whole weeks) plotted for the rest of this year. Think carefully. All busy or family birthday dates, work commitments, hospital appointments, etc. for you and the Defendant.

thank you , will do, in the process of doing the Public Consultation as well.

eamax

UPDATE: Case Dismissed – £0 to Pay  

Today, 1st October, was our second preliminary hearing.

Representative from DCB Legal approached us beforehand, but we politely declined to speak with him.

At the start of the hearing, the judge questioned why not all PCNs were included in the case. He noted that at the previous hearing, we had agreed to settle the matter for £300 for all PCNs, but DCB Legal had refused the offer. He then asked the DCB Legal representative to contact their office to see if they would now accept the £300 to settle all PCNs. but he took too long as he could not get in touch with dcbl. judge then asked him to comeback in.

In the meantime, I mentioned to the judge that we had email correspondence showing that DCB Legal had already refused the £300 offer for all PCNs.

also said to the judge that DCB Legal have issued a tomlin order for us to sign, he seemed quite annoyed and said only court can issue a tomlin order.

When the representative returned, he said that he/dcbl wanted to proceed to a full trial.

At that point, the judge made it clear that he did not find their signage or terms and conditions to be sufficient. He said he did not believe DCB Legal had a strong case or a realistic chance of winning. As a result, he dismissed the case.

DCBL representative attempted to appeal, but the judge refused his appeal there and then.

Again, this was for this case, 4 PCNs, but i doubt that DCB Legal would take us to court for the other 3 PCNs as we can refer to this case and also judge's reasoning to fight the case. could we?

is this the end of this case? could they appeal again? 

overall, very happy, made my day, month and year, yayyyyyyyy 

THANKS FOR ALL THE SUPPORT AND HELP 

Gr1pr

Well done,  a good outcome  ( but factually incorrect ,  DCBL are not involved in the court claim  )

It would have been DCB Legal,  not DCBL, so please edit your feedback post above 

UKPC and DCB Legal fail again ,  Another one bites the dust  !