PHEV or Hybrid to buy?

RogerPensionGuy

born_again said:

TBH, while I like the Fisker. I would not touch them. Given the co went bust. You have no warranty, or ongoing upgrades to systems (known issues with these) 
Parts can be a issue going forward. Especially if you have a crash. As no one will be making panels.

I consider a 20K Fisker against buying a Tycan at full RRP, I know they are very different cars, but the Tycan drops 40K on day one.

If I wanted a big car I could well buy a Fisker considering all the above and hope no issue in early ownership. 

born_again

RogerPensionGuy said:

born_again said:

TBH, while I like the Fisker. I would not touch them. Given the co went bust. You have no warranty, or ongoing upgrades to systems (known issues with these) 
Parts can be a issue going forward. Especially if you have a crash. As no one will be making panels.

I consider a 20K Fisker against buying a Tycan at full RRP, I know they are very different cars, but the Tycan drops 40K on day one.

If I wanted a big car I could well buy a Fisker considering all the above and hope no issue in early ownership. 

I can think of far better cars to drop £20K on. That would still have a manufacture running & a warranty.

Not sure how you mention Tycan is the same breath as a Fisker.
Tycans are bought by companies for the tax savings that can be made. Not many people are going to make a personal purchase of one.
This is why they are so cheap 2nd hand, as that just about brings them into the range of the people that want to buy one, but can't afford full price.
RSEV covers this nicely in some of his video's.

RogerPensionGuy

I've just read up today and think this is the current view. 

Selling new ICE cars is banned after 2035.

Labour are still saying they will put the ban forward to 2030, it was originally 2030, but was extended to 2035 by the last government.

Labour are now saying pure ICE new cars will be banned in 2030.

However hybrids will still be available to buy new after 2030.

No details on which hybrids allowed, mild, full, self charging, PHEVs, petrol, diesel, size of battery, weigh of battery, range of battery, weight of car, MPG or CO2 figures.

It will be interesting to see what they do, guessing big business will push for what they can make most money on overall talking of that dream of zero emissions way down the road. 

All the above is very confusing to the average car user and buyer, what a mess this has been and continues to be. 

I wonder how many free hybrid cars the manufacturers will give out helping to mould their businesses. 

Reference all the above, hopefully they will select hybrids hign on the real environmental issues including, build, ethics, use, tyre rubber pollution, MPG, CO2s and low tail pipe emissions. 

Herzlos

I don't think manufacturers will need to do anything to aid their business, and many will have more or less dropped ICE-only over the next generation due to low sales. Diesel is virtually gone already.

I think all that'll happen is that manufacturers will stop taking orders for ICE only that can't be fulfilled on time, won't build any for stock, and dealers will pre-register any remaining stock.

What I do wonder is how small a battery they can get away with to call something a hybrid, since there will be a lot of people who'll want to buy a hybrid but just use it like a petrol car.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

In August there was a strange drop in sales, but 6% were diesel, 50% petrol, 20% EV and 21% hybrid. EV and hybrid are only going to up whilst petrol and diesel will only go down.

RogerPensionGuy

As the previous poster mentions, if they mandate a larger long range battery and possibly it must be a PHEV.

People like me will probably buy a heavy PHEV and sell the charging leads on ebay as not required.

Then these heavier PHEVs will operate on ICE power source for the rest of their service lives. 

It will be interesting to see what crazy rules they make up. 

WellKnownSid

RogerPensionGuy said:

Then these heavier PHEVs will operate on ICE power source for the rest of their service lives. 

It will be interesting to see what crazy rules they make up. 

I guess the obvious one would be £150 tax on every litre of fuel sold.

Supply and demand will eventually send petrol the way of four star.  Perhaps you'll still be able to buy it in 5 litre cans at a hardware store in the same way you can still buy rough service tungsten light bulbs.

Goudy

From what I have read they have come up with the mandate of banning petrol and diesel cars but haven't actually come up with how it will all work.

They've agreed a law but it's still up for negotiation with all the relevant parties bar the end customer, obviously.

There is a point being made that hybrids will still be available as the ultimate goal isn't cardon zero but cardon neutral by 2050.

So the door is open for some form of hybrids just the fuel that powers the ICE part might not be the same as it is today, ie not fossil based.

RogerPensionGuy

I currently feel buying owning an EV just doesn't feel right as no home charging and I think 50 or 55% of UK people are like me, remote charging is time consuming, sometimes frustrating and at 75 pence per KWh is very costly, it needs to be 40 pence or less to be cheaper than petrol or diesel.

Add to the above, that nasty 2K luxury car car tax from next April, VED, pay per mile and the London congestion charge being applied to EVs next year makes me think the EV honeymoon is over for some people. 

Jaybee_16

Some hybrid cars will continue to be sold until 2035 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/16/new-hybrid-car-sales-allowed-until-2035-in-uk-government-confirms

born_again

RogerPensionGuy said:

I've just read up today and think this is the current view. 

Selling new ICE cars is banned after 2035.

Labour are still saying they will put the ban forward to 2030, it was originally 2030, but was extended to 2035 by the last government.

Labour are now saying pure ICE new cars will be banned in 2030.

However hybrids will still be available to buy new after 2030.

No details on which hybrids allowed, mild, full, self charging, PHEVs, petrol, diesel, size of battery, weigh of battery, range of battery, weight of car, MPG or CO2 figures.

It will be interesting to see what they do, guessing big business will push for what they can make most money on overall talking of that dream of zero emissions way down the road. 

All the above is very confusing to the average car user and buyer, what a mess this has been and continues to be. 

I wonder how many free hybrid cars the manufacturers will give out helping to mould their businesses. 

Reference all the above, hopefully they will select hybrids hign on the real environmental issues including, build, ethics, use, tyre rubber pollution, MPG, CO2s and low tail pipe emissions. 

Car manufactures already have a incentive to produce more hybrids & EV..
The massive fins they get for failing to meet to reducing emissions limits that have been set for them.


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-13837315/ZEV-mandate-targets-manufacturers-clear-falling-behind.html