Private carpark fine

eeehhh123

Coupon-mad said:

Read it again. It's for all.

I am still sat reading through alot of information on here, and it's very overwhelming for someone who has no idea what they're looking at and has never had to deal with this sort of thing before. I'm not sure where else to go to ask for advice/support with my appeal. But I don't want to just leave it incase I ended up having to pay more, and I don't want to just pay it because I believe I had good reason as to why I left 13mins late.

eeehhh123

KeithP said:

From Companies House...
CARPARKERS (ANGLIA) LIMITED
Company number 11398038

A BPA Approved Operator.

From their website...
Address...
Union Suite, The Union Building
51-59 Rose Lane,
Norwich, Norfolk, England,
NR1 1BY

Email: info@carparkers.co.uk

Hi KeithP, is this meant to be information I should put in my appeal...? 
Or are you just stating some facts from my PCN letter?
Thanks 

KeithP

eeehhh123 said:

KeithP said:

From Companies House...
CARPARKERS (ANGLIA) LIMITED
Company number 11398038

A BPA Approved Operator.

From their website...
Address...
Union Suite, The Union Building
51-59 Rose Lane,
Norwich, Norfolk, England,
NR1 1BY

Email: info@carparkers.co.uk

Hi KeithP, is this meant to be information I should put in my appeal...? 
Or are you just stating some facts from my PCN letter?
Thanks 

Just facts.  

Interesting that they don't appear to use (Anglia) in the company's name on their paperwork.
I wonder if that might make a difference?

eeehhh123

Coupon-mad said:

Read it again. It's for all.

Is it this???


Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

eeehhh123

KeithP said:

eeehhh123 said:

KeithP said:

From Companies House...
CARPARKERS (ANGLIA) LIMITED
Company number 11398038

A BPA Approved Operator.

From their website...
Address...
Union Suite, The Union Building
51-59 Rose Lane,
Norwich, Norfolk, England,
NR1 1BY

Email: info@carparkers.co.uk

Hi KeithP, is this meant to be information I should put in my appeal...? 
Or are you just stating some facts from my PCN letter?
Thanks 

Just facts.  

Interesting that they don't appear to use (Anglia) in the company's name on their paperwork.
I wonder if that might make a difference?

I'm tempted to drive to the headquarters! I'm only half hour away ha.

Anto_28

eeehhh123 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Read it again. It's for all.

Is it this???


Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Yep - thats the one, make sure you put your PCN number after "Re PCN number:" and when doing the appeal online, DONT select that your the driver. Appeal as the "Keeper"

eeehhh123

Anto_28 said:

eeehhh123 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Read it again. It's for all.

Is it this???


Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Yep - thats the one, make sure you put your PCN number after "Re PCN number:" and when doing the appeal online, DONT select that your the driver. Appeal as the "Keeper"

Can I ask for the reasoning behind this? I was driving the car and had taken my toddler to the park and he was sick everywhere. Do I not include this info?

Anto_28

eeehhh123 said:

Can I ask for the reasoning behind this? I was driving the car and had taken my toddler to the park and he was sick everywhere. Do I not include this info?

Trust the process.

By naming the driver PoFA 2012 no longer applies. So you don't name who it was. You don't need to include any of the further details, they come later.

eeehhh123

Anto_28 said:

eeehhh123 said:

Can I ask for the reasoning behind this? I was driving the car and had taken my toddler to the park and he was sick everywhere. Do I not include this info?

Trust the process.

By naming the driver PoFA 2012 no longer applies. So you don't name who it was. You don't need to include any of the further details, they come later.

But I'm not sure how much of this pre-written appeal applies to me? They've given an explanation of the allegation? That I entered at 2.49pm (ticket actully started 2.54pm) but I didn't leave until 4.07pm, my ticket ran out 3.54pm.
I was even maybe back at the car in time, but just didn't leave the carpark within the hour. So they've explained why?

I also thought that this appeal is where I give all the details possible (as I read on MSE), and then they decide whether to waive it or not?
Why would I therefore give more details at a later date?

Le_Kirk

Just use the blue text appeal with no adjustments or additions; it has been written specifically for the purpose of first appeals to make sure that you don't give away too much detail.  The PPC is likely to reject it anyway and you move on to the next stage, an appeal to POPLA, where, even if that fails,, it is not binding on the motorist and the next stage (where you win) is a court claim.