Octopus saving sessions

MultiFuelBurner

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

But honestly it's just all linked to the Octopus having 8 ..........

Netexporter

I have a saver session every day, being on Agile. I just make a bit more effort on official saver days just to be public spirited (although the 8888888888888888 Octopoints prize would be nice!).

SuzeQStan

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

MultiFuelBurner

SuzeQStan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

Yes and who says it is all shifted? We turn off our ASHP and when it comes back on it doesn't use twice the energy. Same for lights they don't work twice as hard when you turn them back on. The TV doesn't suddenly use twice the power because it was off for an hour etc etc.

masonic

SuzeQStan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

It tends to be less coal or gas burnt, because the load is shifted from times when the grid is most reliant on these energy sources to times when there is more generation from renewables. In some cases use of those dirty power stations on standby can be averted.

SuzeQStan

Thanks that makes sense.

bristolleedsfan

MultiFuelBurner said:

SuzeQStan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

Yes and who says it is all shifted? We turn off our ASHP and when it comes back on it doesn't use twice the energy. Same for lights they don't work twice as hard when you turn them back on. The TV doesn't suddenly use twice the power because it was off for an hour etc etc.

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Spoonie_Turtle

bristolleedsfan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SuzeQStan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

Yes and who says it is all shifted? We turn off our ASHP and when it comes back on it doesn't use twice the energy. Same for lights they don't work twice as hard when you turn them back on. The TV doesn't suddenly use twice the power because it was off for an hour etc etc.

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Not everyone is doing that.  Probably not even most.  It seems the highest 'earners' are those discharging batteries during the sessions (in which case the load most likely is indeed shifted, to earlier in the day when more of the generation is clean).

MultiFuelBurner

Spoonie_Turtle said:

bristolleedsfan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SuzeQStan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

mjm3346 said:

SuzeQStan said:

TheElectricCow said:

The next round of tests are slightly different in that if high enough participation levels are expected NGESO will be operating the tests with “competitive” pricing rather than the standard £3/kWh the tests have paid out up to this point (translates to £2.25/kWh for Octopus customers).

They didnt exactly pay a fortune the last lot of sessions - I can see interest in participation waning if rewards decreased further - at least for myself anyway 😊

Probably why they do what many "reward" sites do and reward in points because say a massive 200 point bonus seems more than a measly 25p reward.

For replier and @SuzeQStan

And yet they all add up and that 25p may knock 2-4p off your electricity kWh price for that day. Then on the days of the saving events even 50p may knock off 4-8p for that days kWh price.

Something people normally wouldn't scoff at it's more likely people don't want to conform and use less during those times. The "I'm not listening when to use electricity for" type of view.

Just by way of example the saving sessions this December and all these 200/200/400 bonus points have reduced our December bill by 17%. 

I don't disagree they add up (and I do it for the cash value) but the 3 bonus payments are worth £1 while they choose to say 800 points, they are by no means the only site where a massive number of points is quoted instead of a cash value presumably for the same reasons both to encourage users and make direct comparisons less easy.

There are almost certainly people lured in by the number of points who wouldn't bother if the actual cash value was given 

Really that's just good for the planet I don't care if it's 8million points for a £1 it's less CO² released. Less coal or gas burnt to fulfill the requirement.

Is it really less coal or gas burnt etc if the usage load is just shifted to a different time or day?

Yes and who says it is all shifted? We turn off our ASHP and when it comes back on it doesn't use twice the energy. Same for lights they don't work twice as hard when you turn them back on. The TV doesn't suddenly use twice the power because it was off for an hour etc etc.

......................

Not everyone is doing that.  Probably not even most.  It seems the highest 'earners' are those discharging batteries during the sessions (in which case the load most likely is indeed shifted, to earlier in the day when more of the generation is clean).

Glad you responded with a quote there it's from someone on my ignore list they have become a pest 😂 and I decided rather than spar they can go on my 2023 naughty list.

Bit like last year's gaming the system. We discussed what we could move in the New Year as a household. and to be honest the ASHP goes 24/7 and we do cook during that 5-6pm period anyway.

What I found interesting on last year's test events is that the January ones were not always during the 5-6:30pm so let's see what this year's events bring.

Just for nostalgia these were the days of the events after New Year (last year's event) 

19th Jan 

23rd Jan 

24th Jan 

30th Jan

13th Feb

16th Feb

21st Feb

15th Mar

23rd Mar

double_dutchy

Netexporter said:

I have a saver session every day, being on Agile. I just make a bit more effort on official saver days just to be public spirited (although the 8888888888888888 Octopoints prize would be nice!).

If it was really 8888888888888888 then I would go for that, better than winnin the lottery!!