Octopus saving sessions

And it is on

You have to opt in to take part !!


"I can lead you to the money saving well but cannot make you drink from it"

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  • dn852k4
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
  • QrizB
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    I don't entirely understand your question. The whole idea is to take advantage of them.
    However, there has been a change to the calculation and there is no in-day adjustment any more. Your baseline is calculated from previous days.

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  • Spies
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    No you can't game the system this time around.
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  • Bendo
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Spies said:
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    No you can't game the system this time around.

    Well, unless you take advantage of plunge pricing on Agile to run your central heating on electric when it's cheaper than gas but stop doing that when there is a session on.

    When my replacement thermal store is in and I've got my automation setup, I think there is scope here to be quids in.

  • TheElectricCow
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Bendo said:
    Spies said:
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    No you can't game the system this time around.

    Well, unless you take advantage of plunge pricing on Agile to run your central heating on electric when it's cheaper than gas but stop doing that when there is a session on.

    When my replacement thermal store is in and I've got my automation setup, I think there is scope here to be quids in.

    You might have got things the wrong way around here - the saving sessions are most likely to take place when energy is most expensive i.e. at the opposite end of the scale from when agile is cheap. I doubt there’ll be many, if any, periods over winter where agile electric is cheaper than gas over the 4-7pm peak (the most probable time for a saving session to start).

    You’d basically have to run your electric heating at the most expensive periods every day to maximise potential saving session gains, which is probably not a great tactic if the goal is to save money.
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  • Bendo
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Bendo said:
    Spies said:
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    No you can't game the system this time around.

    Well, unless you take advantage of plunge pricing on Agile to run your central heating on electric when it's cheaper than gas but stop doing that when there is a session on.

    When my replacement thermal store is in and I've got my automation setup, I think there is scope here to be quids in.

    You might have got things the wrong way around here - the saving sessions are most likely to take place when energy is most expensive i.e. at the opposite end of the scale from when agile is cheap. I doubt there’ll be many, if any, periods over winter where agile electric is cheaper than gas over the 4-7pm peak (the most probable time for a saving session to start).

    You’d basically have to run your electric heating at the most expensive periods every day to maximise potential saving session gains, which is probably not a great tactic if the goal is to save money.

    Yeah. Hadn't really read anything about it. Having look now it's pretty pointless.
  • MouldyOldDough
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Bendo said:
    Bendo said:
    Spies said:
    dn852k4 said:
    Can we use these sessions to our advantage again or have they moved the goalposts this year?
    No you can't game the system this time around.

    Well, unless you take advantage of plunge pricing on Agile to run your central heating on electric when it's cheaper than gas but stop doing that when there is a session on.

    When my replacement thermal store is in and I've got my automation setup, I think there is scope here to be quids in.

    You might have got things the wrong way around here - the saving sessions are most likely to take place when energy is most expensive i.e. at the opposite end of the scale from when agile is cheap. I doubt there’ll be many, if any, periods over winter where agile electric is cheaper than gas over the 4-7pm peak (the most probable time for a saving session to start).

    You’d basically have to run your electric heating at the most expensive periods every day to maximise potential saving session gains, which is probably not a great tactic if the goal is to save money.

    Yeah. Hadn't really read anything about it. Having look now it's pretty pointless.
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  • Chrysalis
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    masonic said:
    Chrysalis said:

    But again, you dont need someone to opt in to make them aware, you merely need to notify them.  Someone might read the opt in notice in time for the session but not in time for the opt in.
    What is required by the scheme is a commitment from the end user for each session. This cannot be obtained through one-way notification. I agree however, that there is scope for improvement in regard to your second sentence. If someone still has time to make changes to their usage during the session, then they ought to be permitted to opt in.

    Yeah, you can probably tell from my other posts as well, that I dont like this element of the scheme's design.

    It rewards people who were using heavy then cut their usage, but doesnt reward people who already have low peak usage.  So its not targeted at people like me.

    But what happens if you cut your usage for the first session, get decent octopoints for it, you do the same for the second session, but then they base that compared to the first session and its like dude you didnt save from the first session so no points for you, does it ignore previous session days?
  • Spoonie_Turtle
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    edited 30 November 2023 at 10:15AM
    Chrysalis said:
    masonic said:
    Chrysalis said:

    But again, you dont need someone to opt in to make them aware, you merely need to notify them.  Someone might read the opt in notice in time for the session but not in time for the opt in.
    What is required by the scheme is a commitment from the end user for each session. This cannot be obtained through one-way notification. I agree however, that there is scope for improvement in regard to your second sentence. If someone still has time to make changes to their usage during the session, then they ought to be permitted to opt in.

    But what happens if you cut your usage for the first session, get decent octopoints for it, you do the same for the second session, but then they base that compared to the first session and its like dude you didnt save from the first session so no points for you, does it ignore previous session days?
    Yes it does.
  • Mind you their servers seem swamped and slow and I can't tell if I am opted in or not. Teething problems.
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