Octopus Agile

Telegraph_Sam

My bills show "estimated annual usage" using the "standard industry formula" which is not the same as my actual year's consumption.

masonic

You just need to take two index readings a year apart and subtract one from the other.

Telegraph_Sam

You're right of course. Except that one would have expected such a basic variable to be visible at a glance on the web site (for those unfamiliar with Casio technology    )

Telegraph_Sam

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

I wonder if this is not a case of Unintended [Environmental] Consequences with Agile users up and down the country piling on the kWh's like there's no tomorrow ..

How so?  The whole point is generation is exceeding demand (which is why they're paying people to use it), and you can see today the renewable sources exceed demand by themselves.

The Unintended Environmental Consequences from a climate change point of view are if people are encouraged to "waste" energy regardless of how it is produced.  What does the red line in the graph represent?

QrizB

Telegraph_Sam said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

I wonder if this is not a case of Unintended [Environmental] Consequences with Agile users up and down the country piling on the kWh's like there's no tomorrow ..

How so?  The whole point is generation is exceeding demand (which is why they're paying people to use it), and you can see today the renewable sources exceed demand by themselves.

The Unintended Environmental Consequences from a climate change point of view are if people are encouraged to "waste" energy regardless of how it is produced.

The wind turbines are spinning and electrons are jumping the semiconductor junction bandgaps in PV panels whether we use the energy or not. What specific environmental consequences are you envisioning?

Telegraph_Sam said:

What does the red line in the graph represent?

Forecast demand for electricity.

Telegraph_Sam

Comments in this thread are evidence of people using e.g. tumble driers when the energy costs are very low compared with situations where there is no incentive. Wind turbines spinning at max rpm are environmentally neutral whereas what is produced with the power generated can contribute to global warming -  if the oven or whatever is switched on.

QrizB

Telegraph_Sam said:

Comments in this thread are evidence of people using e.g. tumble driers when the energy costs are very low compared with situations where there is no incentive. Wind turbines spinning at max rpm are environmentally neutral whereas what is produced with the power generated can contribute to global warming -  if the oven or whatever is switched on.

Ah, that's where you're mistaken.

The Law of Conservation of Energy means that, for every kWh of heat deposited in the kitchen of 22 Acacia Avenue by a tumble dryer, an equivalent kWh of energy will have been taken out of the wind somewhere above North Loamshire.

In the same fashion my solar panels do a better job of keeping my roof cool when they're generating than they would do if I switched off my inverter.

None of this will be increasing global warming.

Telegraph_Sam

That must be the gap between us. To me the wind above N Loamshire does in itself not contribute to global warming. Otherwise the answer to global warming problems would be to cover the earth's surface with panels and turbines disconnected from the grid. Alice in Wonderland.

QrizB

Telegraph_Sam said:

That must be the gap between us. To me the wind above N Loamshire does in itself not contribute to global warming. Otherwise the answer to global warming problems would be to cover the earth's surface with panels and turbines disconnected from the grid. Alice in Wonderland.

If you could cover the earth with turbines and panels and then take the energy they create and put it somewhere that isn't on Earth, then yes you could cool the planet.

Sadly the National Grid have enough trouble getting electricity from Scotland to England; asking them to send it to Mars seems a bit unreasonable

MWT

Telegraph_Sam said:

You're right of course. Except that one would have expected such a basic variable to be visible at a glance on the web site (for those unfamiliar with Casio technology    )

It is ...

Just go to your usage graph on the web site or the app, select year, and you can move back through your history at will...