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  • masonic
    masonic Posts: 27,172 Forumite
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    edited 26 May at 6:43PM
    I fear some of these posts are coming through out of sequence ..

    My point is simply that me running a tumble drier in a situation where the cost is low has got to be negative in environmental terms compared with a situation where I don't use it because the cost is higher.
    That's wrong. It is completely irrelevant what happens to the energy after it has been added to the system. If it spends a little time as electrical energy before ending up as heat energy, it makes zero difference vs passing directly from electromagnetic (solar) to heat, or electromagnetic to kinetic (wind) to heat.
    The only time it is negative in environmental terms is when the energy is supplied by burning fuels where the energy was previously locked up in chemical bonds. When prices are high, it is usually because at least some of the energy is obtained from burning gas that wouldn't have been burned if you didn't run your tumble drier.
  • Telegraph_Sam
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    I  have a feeling that that is the opposite of how I see things.  :'(

    If, in a marginal situation, I use the tumble drier in order to take advantage of an Agile price plunge, when otherwise I would leave off, then I am the dependent variable that reacts to the independent variable, the market price. The key point is that this is not a two way process. What I do downstream as a consumer is independent from and has no influence on the upstream energy generation process. The examples that you quote, clothes drying and sitting in the sun, are passive activities environmentally whilst me using the tumble drier is an active activity, hence the focus on energy ratings for appliances which discourage us from purchasing "G" grades in favour of "A" grades.The world can be thought of as a giant latent wind farm or PV panel which is there doing its thing regardless of what I do with the energy that feeds its way into my TD.

    To revert to my original thought, the downside to an Agile price plunge is when it encourages an increase in energy consumption when we are being lead to believe that it is better for the planet if we did not. If the Truth is more complex then I fear that is above my pay grade.
    Telegraph Sam

    There are also unknown unknowns - the one's we don't know we don't know
  • Spoonie_Turtle
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    To revert to my original thought, the downside to an Agile price plunge is when it encourages an increase in energy consumption when we are being lead to believe that it is better for the planet if we did not. If the Truth is more complex then I fear that is above my pay grade.
    The fundamental reason for needing to reduce energy usage is to reduce the carbon emissions from burning gas to produce electricity, and reduce the emissions from burning gas for central heating and hot water.

    If what the energy was used for had any overall effect, then energy usage for air conditioning would be a good thing and it would be encouraged for people to do more … !

    But when prices are negative on Agile, there's an excess of renewable energy.  We're not burning any extra gas to produce the energy being used.
  • Telegraph_Sam
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    And on that happy note I fear we must leave it  .. :(
    Telegraph Sam

    There are also unknown unknowns - the one's we don't know we don't know
  • KevinG
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    Fantastic day today, first time this has happened on a weekday for a long time, virtually zero or negative from now until 4pm.
    2kWp Solar PV - 10*200W Kioto, SMA Sunny Boy 2000HF, SSE facing, some shading in winter, 37° pitch, installed Jun-2011, inverter replaced Sep-2017 AND Feb-2022.
  • Effician
    Effician Posts: 533 Forumite
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    Anyone know what's going on with Emoncms, seems to have stopped updating or is it just me.
  • debitcardmayhem
    debitcardmayhem Posts: 12,702 Forumite
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    stopped for me
    4.8kWp 12x400W Longhi 9.6 kWh battery Giv-hy 5.0 Inverter, WSW facing Essex . Aint no sunshine ☀️ Octopus gas fixed dec 24 @ 5.74 tracker again+ Octopus Intelligent Flux leccy
  • masonic
    masonic Posts: 27,172 Forumite
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    Perhaps an issue with the upstream forecasts from NESO? They look ok now, but were updated about half an hour ago, so perhaps they'll feed in to emoncms in due course.
  • Bendo
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    Some reasonable pricing tomorrow morning.

    It's been 90 days since I switched back to Agile and average unit price is under 14p. Happy enough with that.
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