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masonic said:Effician said:But you seem to be restricting your usage to be as low as you can manage so a fairly constant daily usage pattern i guess.I have no idea what i'll be using on any given day & can often save a weeks worth of energy intensive stuff to be done on a plunge or cheap day or even pull some things out of the hat like today when we don't really have much neccesity stuff to do but will save us money in the long run.Anyhow negative prices start at 10:30 so going to make myself busy.Yes, I am using only the energy I need. I'll admit to having turned everything on during past price plunges or old-style Saving Session in-day adjustment periods in order to be paid for the consumption. However, I see it as a false economy to use paid-for energy wastefully in order to reduce an average price paid but increase the total cost.2
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Switched off the solar and have the washing machine and heat pump on and set the car charging. At 12.30 I'll have long electric shower whilst roasting a pork joint for dinner. Will I earn more than the standing charge by 3pm?
Luckily, it isn't sunny, so I don't feel so bad about turning the solar off. Just have to make sure I don't forget to turn it back on this afternoon.1 -
Effician said:Spoonie_Turtle said:
No real predictions available, you can only look backwards and then use that to do your best crystal ball impression.I would disagree, you cannot input your past time of usage data ino a compare app when comparing Agile because your pattern of usage would change dramatically when on Agile to make best use of the cheap slots, you don't know what energy you're going to use when until the prices are released at 4pm the previous day. Our previous tarrif usage bears no resemblence at all to our current patterns.I get what you are saying, but even with that taken into consideration, if past non-optimised usage patterns are comparable or cheaper with Agile, then once usage patterns are optimised for Agile, things should only improve (all else being equal). So one could consider the comparison apps as a non-optimised scenario.At least this is how I viewed switching between Cosy and Agile at the end of winter.
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Interesting comments thank you. My starting point is where would switching to Agile take me now, as is, rather than in some fictional world of (daily) load shifting which might not be realistic. Octopus Compare should cope with this. If I can work out how to handle the SC's.
Telegraph Sam
There are also unknown unknowns - the one's we don't know we don't know0 -
Telegraph_Sam said:Octopus Compare should cope with this. If I can work out how to handle the SC's.2
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Netexporter said:Switched off the solar and have the washing machine and heat pump on and set the car charging. At 12.30 I'll have long electric shower whilst roasting a pork joint for dinner. Will I earn more than the standing charge by 3pm?
Luckily, it isn't sunny, so I don't feel so bad about turning the solar off. Just have to make sure I don't forget to turn it back on this afternoon.0 -
laidbackgjr said:Telegraph_Sam said:Octopus Compare should cope with this. If I can work out how to handle the SC's.Telegraph Sam
There are also unknown unknowns - the one's we don't know we don't know0 -
Telegraph_Sam said:Interesting comments thank you. My starting point is where would switching to Agile take me now, as is, rather than in some fictional world of (daily) load shifting which might not be realistic. Octopus Compare should cope with this. If I can work out how to handle the SC's.
You could try after registering and providing your Octopus API key, can then go into Tools > Tariff Comparison. Under Detailed Comparison select current tariff and the tariff you wish to check and, so far as I understand, it uses your actual use to show whether you would have been better or worse off and by how much. You can adjust this for different intervals (day, week, month, quarter, year)
It also gives a table of smart / standard /fixed tariffs so you can see the wider perspective
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Octopus Compare app does have a load shifting function as a paid-for (or free trial) feature. I don't know about Octopriceapp.com
But we're in the position of rarely load shifting apart from days like today, which falls into NedS's explanation (and we too are only really considering between Agile and Cosy).
[Although for Cosy one of the cheap slots is 1-4pm which lines up with when's generally cheap on Agile, and avoiding non-cooking energy-intensive appliance usage during the 4-7pm peak.]
And for someone really wanting to be sure, load-shifting as if on Agile in advance is a good idea for them be able to do a like-for-like comparison with optimised usage patterns.0 -
Effician said:Spoonie_Turtle said:
No real predictions available, you can only look backwards and then use that to do your best crystal ball impression.I would disagree, you cannot input your past time of usage data ino a compare app when comparing Agile because your pattern of usage would change dramatically when on Agile to make best use of the cheap slots, you don't know what energy you're going to use when until the prices are released at 4pm the previous day. Our previous tarrif usage bears no resemblence at all to our current patterns.Yes it is a leap of faith jumping on to Agile & somewhat easier for folks coming from E7 as they are familiar with shifting usage but it's more a case of making it work rather than carrying on as normal.To make Agile work well requires extra effort & planning but once used to it can become a lot easier & less stressful.As for prices going forward the next few months should be pretty good , grid demand is dropping from winter highs, the sun will shine/ the winds will blow & the gas futures are falling .Not necessarily, when I joined agile the 2nd time after leaving Tracker, my usage for the most part didnt change.In addition I ran my recent usage on Tracker through Agile, and even with no load shifting whatsoever, including some days oven used between 4-7pm, it was cheaper for my lifestyle.0
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