Octopus Agile

WibbleBaaaaaa

MikeyPGT said:

WibbleBaaaaaa said:

Just out of curiosity have octopus released their 1st April tariffs yet, as i am curious to see if they lower their standing charges up here in Glasgow as they are charging 63p, which is now the most costly standing charge for Glasgow as Scottish gas have now dropped its sc down to 51p, so it is going to be interesting to see if the company who have been banging on about high SC being disgraceful, actually drop them down to match or beat SC now they have been given a chance to do so.

The blessed Greg seems to have gone very quiet of late - although that may be down to the fact that I have dropped Twitter and Octopus don't seem very active on Bluesky ...

Yeah very strange why they have not yet accounced their April 1st tariff, i guess the reality of shouting about how high standing charges have been forced onto them, for the past few years, might now have come back to bite them, as they now have a free hand to drop the standing charges, and with Scottish gas up here in Glasgow dropping the sc down to 51p, that 63p octo standing charge is looking very bad indeed. ha

Spoonie_Turtle

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Ours runs 4?am-4pm, off for the peak, then 7-11pm.  The house is chilly by about 6.30pm so we certainly couldn't have it off all the time outside of the lower rate slots. 

I guess we could try bumping the temperature up a lot if we were to try that, but then what we'd be saving from the lower rate would be eaten into - even possibly wiped out - by the MUCH extra energy it would be using to get up into the 20s℃.  And I'm not convinced it'd work anyway, to get the house up to temperature within a 3hr slot enough to maintain comfort the rest of the time.

Edit: hot water is set for the early slot, and allowed a boost in the afternoon slot if it needs it.

One comment is why run it 7-11pm when you have a third cosy slot 10pm til midnight?

Because it's chilly by 6.30!  To the point that for any properly cold snaps next winter I'll have to experiment with letting it run until 4.30pm instead of 4pm.


Back on topic: Cosy and Agile are vying for which is cheapest for us.  The emoncms forecast for the week doesn't look great, but the better days like today are giving me hope that it will at some point consistently be cheaper than Cosy and I can switch knowing it's the right thing rather than hoping it is

Although, it occurs to me Cosy is variable and the rates may change on the 1st April along with the price cap, changing the equation.

NedS

Spoonie_Turtle said:

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Ours runs 4?am-4pm, off for the peak, then 7-11pm.  The house is chilly by about 6.30pm so we certainly couldn't have it off all the time outside of the lower rate slots. 

I guess we could try bumping the temperature up a lot if we were to try that, but then what we'd be saving from the lower rate would be eaten into - even possibly wiped out - by the MUCH extra energy it would be using to get up into the 20s℃.  And I'm not convinced it'd work anyway, to get the house up to temperature within a 3hr slot enough to maintain comfort the rest of the time.

Edit: hot water is set for the early slot, and allowed a boost in the afternoon slot if it needs it.

One comment is why run it 7-11pm when you have a third cosy slot 10pm til midnight?

Because it's chilly by 6.30!  To the point that for any properly cold snaps next winter I'll have to experiment with letting it run until 4.30pm instead of 4pm.

Same here - on the coldest days, it's properly cold by 7pm. We manage, but it's not pleasant. Bump up the heat as high as possible up to 4pm. If you are going to run on into the peak, turn down to absolute minimum, just to help stem the fall in temperature. Any sort of battery would really help, even a small one.

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Although, it occurs to me Cosy is variable and the rates may change on the 1st April along with the price cap, changing the equation.

Yes, I'm expecting Cosy rates to change on 1st April, although I've not seen the new rates announced yet. Hopefully the daily SC will come down, at least.

TroubledTarts

Spoonie_Turtle said:

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Ours runs 4?am-4pm, off for the peak, then 7-11pm.  The house is chilly by about 6.30pm so we certainly couldn't have it off all the time outside of the lower rate slots. 

I guess we could try bumping the temperature up a lot if we were to try that, but then what we'd be saving from the lower rate would be eaten into - even possibly wiped out - by the MUCH extra energy it would be using to get up into the 20s℃.  And I'm not convinced it'd work anyway, to get the house up to temperature within a 3hr slot enough to maintain comfort the rest of the time.

Edit: hot water is set for the early slot, and allowed a boost in the afternoon slot if it needs it.

One comment is why run it 7-11pm when you have a third cosy slot 10pm til midnight?

Because it's chilly by 6.30!  To the point that for any properly cold snaps next winter I'll have to experiment with letting it run until 4.30pm instead of 4pm.


Back on topic: Cosy and Agile are vying for which is cheapest for us.  The emoncms forecast for the week doesn't look great, but the better days like today are giving me hope that it will at some point consistently be cheaper than Cosy and I can switch knowing it's the right thing rather than hoping it is

Although, it occurs to me Cosy is variable and the rates may change on the 1st April along with the price cap, changing the equation.

I meant why not run it til midnight as it's cosy rates 10pm til midnight not questioning your need to run it early from 7pm lol 😂😂 

Yeah cost rates should go up 1st April so Agile will be cheaper from then regardless as well as historically Agile is cheaper in the late spring and summer into autumn 

Spoonie_Turtle

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Ours runs 4?am-4pm, off for the peak, then 7-11pm.  The house is chilly by about 6.30pm so we certainly couldn't have it off all the time outside of the lower rate slots. 

I guess we could try bumping the temperature up a lot if we were to try that, but then what we'd be saving from the lower rate would be eaten into - even possibly wiped out - by the MUCH extra energy it would be using to get up into the 20s℃.  And I'm not convinced it'd work anyway, to get the house up to temperature within a 3hr slot enough to maintain comfort the rest of the time.

Edit: hot water is set for the early slot, and allowed a boost in the afternoon slot if it needs it.

One comment is why run it 7-11pm when you have a third cosy slot 10pm til midnight?

Because it's chilly by 6.30!  To the point that for any properly cold snaps next winter I'll have to experiment with letting it run until 4.30pm instead of 4pm.


Back on topic: Cosy and Agile are vying for which is cheapest for us.  The emoncms forecast for the week doesn't look great, but the better days like today are giving me hope that it will at some point consistently be cheaper than Cosy and I can switch knowing it's the right thing rather than hoping it is

Although, it occurs to me Cosy is variable and the rates may change on the 1st April along with the price cap, changing the equation.

I meant why not run it til midnight as it's cosy rates 10pm til midnight not questioning your need to run it early from 7pm lol 😂😂 

Oh!  Haha, sorry.  We just don't need it after 11pm to remain comfortable until everyone goes to bed, and if it chugs away in the cheap morning slot instead of being on for an extra hour before midnight I just assumed it all works out much of a muchness.  But we changed in Feb so haven't been through any prolonged properly cold snaps, so of course I'll be open to tweaking it next winter if need be.  (Assuming Cosy is still the right choice then.)

NedS said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

TroubledTarts said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Ours runs 4?am-4pm, off for the peak, then 7-11pm.  The house is chilly by about 6.30pm so we certainly couldn't have it off all the time outside of the lower rate slots. 

I guess we could try bumping the temperature up a lot if we were to try that, but then what we'd be saving from the lower rate would be eaten into - even possibly wiped out - by the MUCH extra energy it would be using to get up into the 20s℃.  And I'm not convinced it'd work anyway, to get the house up to temperature within a 3hr slot enough to maintain comfort the rest of the time.

Edit: hot water is set for the early slot, and allowed a boost in the afternoon slot if it needs it.

One comment is why run it 7-11pm when you have a third cosy slot 10pm til midnight?

Because it's chilly by 6.30!  To the point that for any properly cold snaps next winter I'll have to experiment with letting it run until 4.30pm instead of 4pm.

Same here - on the coldest days, it's properly cold by 7pm. We manage, but it's not pleasant. Bump up the heat as high as possible up to 4pm. If you are going to run on into the peak, turn down to absolute minimum, just to help stem the fall in temperature. Any sort of battery would really help, even a small one.

That's a good idea, I'll try to remember that for next winter.  Sadly I don't think a battery is an option as we rent.

zxzxzx

Difficult to understand why Agile does not seem to be reflecting night & day? Weather forecast says high UV from 12:00 and 16mph wind tomorrow.

NedS

zxzxzx said:

Difficult to understand why Agile does not seem to be reflecting night & day? Weather forecast says high UV from 12:00 and 16mph wind tomorrow.

Supply and demand throughout the 24h period - demand is far lower between 11:30pm - 6am, and more than offsets the 6GW of solar generation capacity during the day.

Even though it's been a great sunny day here and my solar panels have covered our usage, nationally only 4.8% of our generation came from solar today:

https://grid.iamkate.com/

We are still not generating anywhere near enough from green sources to avoid firing up gas fired power stations, so prices will still be high (or not overly cheap).

MikeyPGT

NedS said:

zxzxzx said:

Difficult to understand why Agile does not seem to be reflecting night & day? Weather forecast says high UV from 12:00 and 16mph wind tomorrow.

Supply and demand throughout the 24h period - demand is far lower between 11:30pm - 6am, and more than offsets the 6GW of solar generation capacity during the day.

Even though it's been a great sunny day here and my solar panels have covered our usage, nationally only 4.8% of our generation came from solar today:

https://grid.iamkate.com/

We are still not generating anywhere near enough from green sources to avoid firing up gas fired power stations, so prices will still be high (or not overly cheap).

I seem to remember being hugely disappointed last summer - my first on Agile - that the prices weren't lower.  Seems wind generation makes much more of an impact than solar ...

Slinky

I'm averaging 14.07p at the moment on Economy 7 topping up the batteries occasionally overnight, not sure if I'll be back to Agile anytime soon. If it starts getting cheap in the afternoon it's no use to us on sunny days when we're exporting.

TroubledTarts

Slinky said:

I'm averaging 14.07p at the moment on Economy 7 topping up the batteries occasionally overnight, not sure if I'll be back to Agile anytime soon. If it starts getting cheap in the afternoon it's no use to us on sunny days when we're exporting.

If you can make economy 7 work why not pop off to eon next for their 7 hours at 6.7pkwh I think that's what it is.