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It might be helpful if you post the part of your bill that shows what you are being charged, the difference in tariff price you are posting about 

BearBear71

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

This is roughly the current rate as it’s hybrid.

victor2

BearBear71 said:

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

This is roughly the current rate as it’s hybrid.

Not exactly money saving then, but you could claim you are helping the environment if you believe the "100% renewable energy" Eon say they supply.

BearBear71

victor2 said:

BearBear71 said:

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

This is roughly the current rate as it’s hybrid.

Not exactly money saving then, but you could claim you are helping the environment if you believe the "100% renewable energy" Eon say they supply.

Yup been waiting for that tarriff a while. 😴

EssexHebridean

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

The OPs car has been using a LOT by the look of things - they are currently on for in excess of 12,000kWh per annum use! 

EssexHebridean

Looking at the stats for the car, assuming it’s taking the full 13kWh daily that only accounts for 4,700 kWh of the annual use, so still very high use even beyond that. It would definitely be well worth you doing an energy audit to see why so much energy is being used elsewhere in the home I’d suggest. Of course it might be that the car is frequently being charged several times a day if it’s doing high mileage - that would make a difference.

Once you have evaluated what is using the energy, and have a better understanding of your home’s demand for power at various times, you will be better equipped to compare the various EV tariffs available  to work out if they would be worth you switching to. 

Qyburn

victor2 said:

... if you believe the "100% renewable energy" Eon say they supply.

Which of course is nonsense. They supply the same mix as everyone else, for example 19% renewable at the moment. I don't understand how they're allowed to make such plainly untrue claims.

diystarter7

victor2 said:

BearBear71 said:

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

This is roughly the current rate as it’s hybrid.

Not exactly money saving then, but you could claim you are helping the environment if you believe the "100% renewable energy" Eon say they supply.

Hi
One of the mst helpful posts here. Thank you. Do you have a link got it, please?
Thnaks

victor2

diystarter7 said:

victor2 said:

BearBear71 said:

Scot_39 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Ok - well the car would make a difference - surely you’d be better on an EV tariff as that’s a lot of additional use at standard rate at the moment! 

Would that work as well for a hybrid as a pure BEV.

Do they actually necessarily eat a lot of power - seen total charge estimates lower than 10kWh for some models ?

Some plug in hybrids don't seem to store much energy - like 25-30m worth rather than 150-300m+ for a pure BEV.

But if used at all - just like a house - cabin heating, screen heating to defrost etc - will likely be increasing the power drawdown - even at low mileage (disproportionately so as a fraction of total charge the lower the actual mileage I guess) over cold snaps.

And what about the impact on day rate - do the tariffs charge more - like a typical E7/E10 contract to compensate - wiping out a lot of cost saving for the lower hybrid vs BEV charge ?

This is roughly the current rate as it’s hybrid.

Not exactly money saving then, but you could claim you are helping the environment if you believe the "100% renewable energy" Eon say they supply.

Hi
One of the mst helpful posts here. Thank you. Do you have a link got it, please?
Thnaks

 https://www.eonenergy.com/renewable.html

matt_drummer

The OP and anybody else considering buying a plug in hybrid car might be best advised to consider reviewing their choice of car.

In my opinion, a plug in hybrid car gives you the worst of both worlds, if you do regular long journeys then a conventional petrol/diesel car is the best choice, if you only do a few long journeys a year then a full electric car makes sense.

I will explain why.

I have lots of experience of the types of batteries used in electric cars and the way they are treated plays a pivotal role in their life expectancy.

This is my real life experience.

Two years ago, me and my boss decided to lease a car each, I chose a full electric vehicle, he chose a plug in hybrid. Both vehicles are of a similar value and cost similar amounts to lease. As they are leased through the company my benefit in kind is negligible whilst his is quite significant.

We do slightly different mileages but neither of us do regular long journeys, neither of us have done a journey over 200 miles in the last two years but despite this, my boss chose the plug in hybrid as he didn't want to stop and charge an electric car if he went to visit a customer 200 miles away (even though he will invariably stop on a journey of this length to eat!).

My car does 300 miles on a full charge in the winter and I could get 400 miles in the summer if I really tried. His car does 10 to 15 miles on a charge in the winter and maybe 25 miles per charge in the summer.

The battery in my car has a capacity of 78 Kwh and his has a capacity of around 16 Kwh, the battery in my car is five times of that in the plug in hybrid yet my car is lighter!

I have averaged around 4.5 miles per Kwh in my car in two years, the plug in hybrid is averaging less than 2 miles per Kwh.

The plug in hybrid is charged to 100% every day, so 365 times a year, my car is charged to 80% once every two weeks or so, so around 26 times a year.

The plug in hybrid is inefficient as it's electric drive train is a compromise as it is coupled with the petrol engine and gearbox, it's heavier, the battery is having to supply 5 times more of it rated capacity to cover the same journey as my car and my car has a battery heat management system that the plug in hybrid does not have. Despite having 5 times larger batteries my electric car is smaller on the outside and larger on the inside than the hybrid - the batteries in the hybrid seriously reduce the load space and the petrol engine and transmission reduce passenger space.

Most of the time with a plug in hybrid you have either got a really inefficient electric car carrying around an unused petrol engine and transmission, or a petrol car carrying around a really large, heavy and expensive battery!

My electric car accelerates faster, handles better and has instant acceleration from a standstill, whilst the plug in hybrid is still sitting at the roundabout waiting for it's automatic gearbox to decide what gear it should be in!

The life of these batteries is dependent on the number of cycles and the `strength' of charging and discharging, charged and discharged at the same rates, the battery in a fully electric car is treated much more kindly.

Let's say that the batteries in our cars will both last 1,500 cycles before there is serious reduction in performance.

At this level, my fully electric car battery will last for more than 57 years and allow my fully electric car to cover 525,000 miles.

At 1,500 battery cycles, my boss's plug in hybrid battery will last for just over 4 years and cover 45,000 miles.


The number of battery charge/discharge cycles may vary a bit, but it is clear that the battery in a fully electric car will last at least 10 times longer than the battery in a plug in hybrid and consume less than half the amount of electricity to cover the same miles.

Buying a plug in hybrid to avoid having to stop and charge a fully electric car on an occasional long journey is not a wise decision in my opinion.