UK CPM - new infestation on private estate

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pinkelephant12 said:

I feel your pain!  I have been in the same situation - freeholder on mixed freehold and leasehold estate.  I got parking tickets for parking lawfully in my own space after I had opted the space out of the permit scheme in writing.  The parking tickets were all cancelled.  The police have recorded it as harassment.  The parking company was eventually fired.  The management company took action when they realised their legal and financial liabilities.  

You should make sure that the management company understand that they are jointly and severally liable for any law breaking by the parking company.  You could ask them what steps they are taking to ensure that the parking company is complying with data protection and other laws.

Also make sure that they (and other residents) understand the potential financial repercussions.  If the management company is sued, residents will end up paying through their service charge/estate charge.  There may also be a clause in the contract allowing the parking company to reclaim any costs incurred from residents.  You need to find out what's in that contract!

And I imagine the residents don't have a clue! A bunch of parasites imposed on them by their management company, who are either equally clueless or getting a backhander.

It's unbelievable what the underhand and unscrupulous can get away with, yet your average law abiding citizen has to jump through hoops to get any justice....and then be confronted with a judge who has absolutely no idea what's going on and should have 'hung up their wig 10 years ago'.

I'll get my coat....

Fruitcake

_IH8_UKCPM_ Do you have a bank account or insurance product that includes legal cover? It might be worth looking at it in case you need it later.

As for the MA, ask them with whom they hold public liability insurance, and please may you have a copy of the policy.

_IH8_UKCPM_

Fruitcake said:

_IH8_UKCPM_ Do you have a bank account or insurance product that includes legal cover? It might be worth looking at it in case you need it later.

As for the MA, ask them with whom they hold public liability insurance, and please may you have a copy of the policy.

I believe with home insurance hopefully. Was going to check as neighbour has just spoken to a solicitor through their insurance and I am pleased to say his response was that they have given basically same advice I have given him based off all of the all helpful replies and info provided here!

patient_dream

I think you should find out who the MA really is ???

_IH8_UKCPM_

Can I just clarify (again COVID brain so be gentle on me) that I have been understanding correctly MA is referring to management/managing agent? In which case for us it is a large, and as we have unfortunately now learned, notoriously useless company in charge of the estate. I believe they "manage" over 300,000 homes across the UK. Not sure if I should be careful to not reveal their identity on here should they end up searching on here for anything to use against me?

Interestingly the TP1 form from when house first sold lists a different management company who when I look them up on companies house they are linked to endless other estate agents and property management companies. Their current directors were listed as directors for approx 150 other companies all in the property sector. Is this typical? I can't say I know much about business or being a company director.

Is it perhaps that the original company or development was brought out by the big guys we are currently getting bent over by 😂

Coupon-mad

I think name them and shame them.  They carried out no consultation with the leaseholders & freeholders so this is what they get.  The main issue though is removing UKCPM entirely.

I've sent you a pm.  I say go for it!

Mouse007

You need to get to the bottom of who hires and fires the Management Agent. Who is in control here? You then need to know how the residents, freeholders and tenants, can take ownership of what is after all theirs.

Without that the value of your property is compromised quite significantly. I would walk away at contract stage if I found out a third party could make decisions over my rights.

I would be looking to establish your own property management company, each resident having 1 share. I would then encourage these shareholders to have a meeting and decide how to manage the site. This would require some to be directors, who could be paid for their time. I’ll stop here, otherwise this could become a very long post, just take the idea - you need to take control of that which belongs to you.

_IH8_UKCPM_

Mouse007 said:

You need to get to the bottom of who hires and fires the Management Agent. Who is in control here? You then need to know how the residents, freeholders and tenants, can take ownership of what is after all theirs.

Without that the value of your property is compromised quite significantly. I would walk away at contract stage if I found out a third party could make decisions over my rights.

I would be looking to establish your own property management company, each resident having 1 share. I would then encourage these shareholders to have a meeting and decide how to manage the site. This would require some to be directors, who could be paid for their time. I’ll stop here, otherwise this could become a very long post, just take the idea - you need to take control of that which belongs to you.

Is there any guidance anyone can share on getting to the bottom of whether we can remove them and who has the power? Are the particular standard documents the agreements and clauses would be in to cover that? Or is it convoluted system or unique setup that can vary by develoment/estate and management company arrangements and contracts?

I am still unsure who the estate landowner technically is so any guidance on confirming that would be good as well?

Thanks!

_IH8_UKCPM_

Coupon-mad said:

I think name them and shame them.  They carried out no consultation with the leaseholders & freeholders so this is what they get.  The main issue though is removing UKCPM entirely.

I've sent you a pm.  I say go for it!

Due to my profession I tend to try and be very careful with what I say online as I am aware how easy it is to identify people with a high degree of accuracy given very minimal information.

Might be being overly cautious here I guess 🤣

I will say the management companies name is two words combined.

Word 1 is the position you came in if you win a gold medal

Word 2 is a type of wine produced in a country next to Spain

On-the-coast

Is it different if the car is leased? Looking online it says finance provider is registered keeper and owner with leases and would get sent any fines etc. Does that mean potentially their fines are still finding their way from the finance company to them?

returning to your question above.... in my experience (as someone who's leased cars and received tickets) the letter often takes around 4 weeks to make its way from the originator to the responsible person. To make things worse the lease company often charges around £10 for the service of passing on each letter...   Sorry about that, but extra ammunition for you to use with neighbours.