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UK CPM - new infestation on private estate

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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,455 Forumite
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    Involving your MP to put pressure on the MA is great!

    Make sure that the MP's letter and your group residents' complaint is done in the style of the PCM example letter, citing derogation from grant and the L&T Act which the MA has not bothered to comply with.  You all have primacy of contract and an expectation of unfettered parking as you have done since 2015.  All of you should REFUSE the permit scheme outright and put your names to the complaint. 
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  • Many thanks. I was going to ask what is best way to write letter to MP as I have never done so before and have no idea how to get their attention and what to expect back. I will work on that tomorrow using the template.
  • Mouse007
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    Neighbour on the otherside was also in support but is rental tenant
    This neighbour will have rights under their lease or tenancy granted by their landlord. They too will be affected by the parking scheme and should do a bit more than ask the freeholders to contact you. They should complain bitterly to their landlords about derogation from grant and threaten to sue them for breach of contact. You need the absent landlords to know that it is their problem too.

    BBC WatchDog “if you are struggling with an unfair parking charge do get in touch”


    Please email your PCN story to watchdog@bbc.co.uk they want to hear about it.
    Please then tell us here that you have done so.

  • Cheers guys. I've told any renters I've spoken to that they should contact their landlord as it will affect them and they need to know.

    I've had confirmation from a neighbour who has continued to park their two cars outside of their parking bay or their own land, both cars most definitely parked in breach of UKCPM rules and they have not received a single ticket in nearly two months. I have evidence that UKCPM have visited whilst the car was there and did not ticket it as the car is visible in the background of photos they supplied of our car.

    The neighbour was completely unaware of the enforcement and surprised to hear about it. Told them to be wary as UKCPM might not be ticketing them now but may decide to one day and they know until at least a week later when tickets start coming in the post. They were happy to join the complaint and as with every other resident I've spoken to so far said the MA is completely useless and has been since they purchased their houses in 2015.
  • Umkomaas
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    They were happy to join the complaint and as with every other resident I've spoken to so far said
    Good going, keep it moving. 👍
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Oh forgot to mention, one potential issue although I am guess it won't matter. The neighbours who have received no tickets said they think that the parking situation has been discussed in recent face to face residents meetings with the management company.

    We haven't attended any meetings since we purchased the house, I am only aware of one having taken place since we moved in which was earlier this year and no mention was made about the parking situation before the meeting and in a subsequent letter the MA sent out about that meeting. Only thing mentioned was them apologising about misallocating funds from their accounts towards spending on wrong properties which I think I might have mentioned earlier in this thread.

    I presume even if in theory they held a meeting about parking and if 75% of residents in attendance agreed with their proposal that it is not valid unless all residents were given notice and a chance to vote on it?
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 4 December 2022 at 7:32PM
    Yep, the vote has to be communicated to include all those residents with title (not tenants).
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  • 1505grandad
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    "..... both cars most definitely parked in breach of UKCPM rules and they have not received a single ticket in nearly two months."

    "The neighbours who have received no tickets.........."  

    Hopefully the V5c is up to date especially if not long in the property.
  • _IH8_UKCPM_
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    Yep, the vote has to be communicated to include all those residents with title (not tenants).
    Great thanks. I assumed so but can't be too careful. We have come across a few in support of the restrictions so want to be sure it was not implemented in the proper way as I am not sure of the level of support of attendance of these meetings. Two freeholders nearest to us don't seem to attend meetings or really engage with the MA as they have said they are useless. I guess it might only be certain people attending the meetings and asking for parking restrictions.

    1505grandad said:
    "..... both cars most definitely parked in breach of UKCPM rules and they have not received a single ticket in nearly two months."

    "The neighbours who have received no tickets.........."  

    Hopefully the V5c is up to date especially if not long in the property.
    They have lived there for 7 years and owned both cars since before we moved in last year so would assume all is up to date. Is it different if the car is leased? Looking online it says finance provider is registered keeper and owner with leases and would get sent any fines etc. Does that mean potentially their fines are still finding their way from the finance company to them?
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