Just had a service and MOT...now engine seized!

sevenhills

chrisw said:

I had a cam belt fail prematurely and out of warranty on a Peugeot 406 so it was quite a while ago now. 

However, Peugeot paid for a replacement engine without quibble. Hope they do the same for you.

But the cam belt didn't fail, it was said to have slipped/jumped.

cymruchris

sevenhills said:

chrisw said:

I had a cam belt fail prematurely and out of warranty on a Peugeot 406 so it was quite a while ago now. 

However, Peugeot paid for a replacement engine without quibble. Hope they do the same for you.

But the cam belt didn't fail, it was said to have slipped/jumped.

That's hypothesis at the moment - as the OP hasn't confirmed the actual failure 100% yet. We know there's an issue with the timing belt - but we don't know whether it just snapped, or whether the water pump failed, or if there was another cause. We'll have to wait for more detail once they know more detail. 

cymruchris

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

FYI, I'm pretty confident it is not the t/chain

The car was fitted with a timing belt rather than a timing chain. So I'm confident it wasn't the timing chain either  

Belts are rubber and chains are metal - the chains tend to last either the life of an engine or a very long time, and you tend to know they need looking at when they start rattling - whereas with this Peugeot it's got a rubber belt that's made of fairly sturdy stuff, but they do tend to snap if you leave them beyond their recommended service schedule. Some can go on for many thousands of miles beyond whenever they need changing - but it's always then a game of chance. It could last - it could snap - and when it does - if you didn't follow the schedule - then tough cheddar Here it appears as though the schedule has been followed - but need a bit more info - like the original service book/handbook to check what it states in there, and more info from the workshop on what's actually happened. 

diystarter7

cymruchris said:

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

FYI, I'm pretty confident it is not the t/chain

The car was fitted with a timing belt rather than a timing chain. So I'm confident it wasn't the timing chain either  

Belts are rubber and chains are metal - the chains tend to last either the life of an engine or a very long time, and you tend to know they need looking at when they start rattling - whereas with this Peugeot it's got a rubber belt that's made of fairly sturdy stuff, but they do tend to snap if you leave them beyond their recommended service schedule. Some can go on for many thousands of miles beyond whenever they need changing - but it's always then a game of chance. It could last - it could snap - and when it does - if you didn't follow the schedule - then tough cheddar Here it appears as though the schedule has been followed - but need a bit more info - like the original service book/handbook to check what it states in there, and more info from the workshop on what's actually happened. 

lol, yes. I;m a Mercedes man like my dad was and I have been a merc man last 26/28 years and all i can recall is the timing chains,   I used to have  a slightly rattley one on my merc Kompressor 23/4 yrs ago but only for a min or so, never missed a beat - not sure what the current car has a gls as i am too old to bother and cars looked after by the dealers. -

 i recall the timing belt losing it's teeth before its time, lucky escape as the engine was not mangled. - it was a for cortina mk5 i bought brand new - nice car, my first car that was stolen a few months later.

Also, the rcz gt we have has a timing cahin and thats a pegeout  or whatever you call them - so i got chains on my mind and we only recently had the chain changed on this because of a rattle that i heard last year but it was so mild the dealers said to leave it.

ontheroad1970

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

chrisw said:

I had a cam belt fail prematurely and out of warranty on a Peugeot 406 so it was quite a while ago now. 

However, Peugeot paid for a replacement engine without quibble. Hope they do the same for you.

This is interesting to hear - Thanks!
How many miles/years old was your vehicle, in comparison to the recommended timescale for changing it?

I hope they do for us too!!

Hi OP

I think you need to post the users name and the symbol '@' proceeding the name, Otherwise, he/she won't get an alert.

FYI, I'm pretty confident it is not the t/chain

Could you share your experience/expertise?  Have you ever worked in a garage or been a mechanic?  I'm mechanically illiterate so wouldn't comment in this thread about the issue myself.  It would be good for the OP's views on your judgement if your level of experience was known.  

You say you are pretty confident it isn't the timing belt - and even I know the difference between a belt and a chain is important - belts snap, and jump, chains stretch.  Some on a certain v=batch of BMW more than others, so I hear.

sevenhills

cymruchris said:

sevenhills said:

chrisw said:

I had a cam belt fail prematurely and out of warranty on a Peugeot 406 so it was quite a while ago now. 

However, Peugeot paid for a replacement engine without quibble. Hope they do the same for you.

But the cam belt didn't fail, it was said to have slipped/jumped.

That's hypothesis at the moment - as the OP hasn't confirmed the actual failure 100% yet. We know there's an issue with the timing belt - but we don't know whether it just snapped, or whether the water pump failed, or if there was another cause. We'll have to wait for more detail once they know more detail. 

It was stated that it had jumped, so that would mean the tensioner stopped working or would something else cause it to jump.

jimjames

diystarter7 said:

A timing chain going on a m-way, you would have known about it by the masses of noise. NB: I'm not a mechanic but me and my family have had a lot of cars.

Two possibilities - loose hose or failed water pump.

I've eaten a lot of dinners but it doesn't make me a chef so I'm not sure owning lots of cars makes a difference to being a mechanic. 

Failure of a timing belt would not cause a massive amount of noise. It's possible the water pump seized and caused the belt to slip. Not sure of the config of this engine but in friend's VW Golf the pump stopped, broke the timing belt and wrecked the engine so it's a possible cause. Not sure how that would fit in terms of the change interval if it only refers to belt change time not water pump.

SergeantBaker

ontheroad1970 said:

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

chrisw said:

I had a cam belt fail prematurely and out of warranty on a Peugeot 406 so it was quite a while ago now. 

However, Peugeot paid for a replacement engine without quibble. Hope they do the same for you.

This is interesting to hear - Thanks!
How many miles/years old was your vehicle, in comparison to the recommended timescale for changing it?

I hope they do for us too!!

Hi OP

I think you need to post the users name and the symbol '@' proceeding the name, Otherwise, he/she won't get an alert.

FYI, I'm pretty confident it is not the t/chain

Could you share your experience/expertise?  Have you ever worked in a garage or been a mechanic?  I'm mechanically illiterate so wouldn't comment in this thread about the issue myself.  It would be good for the OP's views on your judgement if your level of experience was known.  

You say you are pretty confident it isn't the timing belt - and even I know the difference between a belt and a chain is important - belts snap, and jump, chains stretch.  Some on a certain v=batch of BMW more than others, so I hear.

@diystarter7 won’t respond to that I asked about his advanced driving and he ignored that. He also claims to be VIP trained so no doubt wants people to think he’s ex plod. 

Nobbie1967

How about this for a mode of failure that explains the known events

Water pump seizes causing timing belt to jump. This leads to terminal engine damage and the engine stops. Heat soak from the engine then boils the coolant in the block that is no longer being circulated by the pump and the resultant high pressure steam pushes the coolant out of an overflow?

Krakkkers

OP specifically said no clouds of steam and no noise