Just had a service and MOT...now engine seized!

photome

I don’t know enough to comment on what has happened , and I also think some other posters comments should be taken with a pinch of salt , well at least one of them , but you do have some good advice , here is hoping you get a good outcome from Peugeot 

Ditzy_Mitzy

diystarter7 said:

cymruchris said:

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

FYI, I'm pretty confident it is not the t/chain

The car was fitted with a timing belt rather than a timing chain. So I'm confident it wasn't the timing chain either  

Belts are rubber and chains are metal - the chains tend to last either the life of an engine or a very long time, and you tend to know they need looking at when they start rattling - whereas with this Peugeot it's got a rubber belt that's made of fairly sturdy stuff, but they do tend to snap if you leave them beyond their recommended service schedule. Some can go on for many thousands of miles beyond whenever they need changing - but it's always then a game of chance. It could last - it could snap - and when it does - if you didn't follow the schedule - then tough cheddar Here it appears as though the schedule has been followed - but need a bit more info - like the original service book/handbook to check what it states in there, and more info from the workshop on what's actually happened. 

lol, yes. I;m a Mercedes man like my dad was and I have been a merc man last 26/28 years and all i can recall is the timing chains,   I used to have  a slightly rattley one on my merc Kompressor 23/4 yrs ago but only for a min or so, never missed a beat - not sure what the current car has a gls as i am too old to bother and cars looked after by the dealers. -

 i recall the timing belt losing it's teeth before its time, lucky escape as the engine was not mangled. - it was a for cortina mk5 i bought brand new - nice car, my first car that was stolen a few months later.

Also, the rcz gt we have has a timing cahin and thats a pegeout  or whatever you call them - so i got chains on my mind and we only recently had the chain changed on this because of a rattle that i heard last year but it was so mild the dealers said to leave it.

The Ford SOHC in the Cortina was non-interference in 2.0 form, so you could run them until the belts snapped without any undue effects other than the engine stopping.  Apparently they could become interference engines with increased compression or a higher lift cam, which might have upset some of Burton's customers back in the day!  The 1.6 versions were interference on paper, but many also lost belts without valves striking pistons.  

Could the belt tensioner have gone on the OP's Peugeot?  They can throw up surprises here and there.  

Mutton_Geoff

The OP has never mentioned the timing belt jumping, slipping or skipping anywhere on this thread, it is conjecture by other participants. I don't think we yet know fully what has happened other than the car lost it's coolant and the engine seized.

Maybe the OP will update us when she has time. 

rachellelouise said:

We have a 16 plate Peugeot 308, bought when 3 years old from the dealership (ex-moterbility car), we are its second owner.

19th October we had it serviced and MOT'd by a garage we don't normally use as our usual was fully booked, paid out £1400 for this, along with other work - new break pads, discs and something else (my husband has the receipt I need to double check exactly what else)

25th November on the M1 the engine warning light came on and advised us to stop, unable to restart it...car got towed away to our usual garage, he's told us the engine has seized, stated the engine coolant was empty and its overheated and melted the engine inside. At no point prior to the engine warning saying STOP DRIVING etc did any lights come on to inform us the coolant was low/empty or that the engine was overheating on the gauge. No excessive milage since the work was done. 

We are really stuck for what to do next...financially we are not in a position to get a new car, 3 kids just a few weeks before Christmas in this current financial climate. I am a nurse and my husband a technician with the ambulance service, neither of us are savvy with our car knowledge.

Could the garage that did the work have left a sensor off that was detecting the coolant? Is this something that could have been picked up on or even caused by their work?

Any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated!! Thankyou 

Krakkkers

"but my dad just contacted his friend who owns the garage and he has stated ‘the cambelt has moved’ and this is what caused it."

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MikeJXE

I have just gone through all the posts and notice someone said the cam belt should be changed at 70,000. To be honest I looked that up earlier in the post but didn't post it because this thread was getting out of hand, picking up misspellings, criticising people who were trying to help instead of helping, plus the morality police were out on patrol. It's a shame when someone is trying to help even if they can't type so good they get knocked back. Sad 

diystarter7

Hi OP

I hope you have got to the bottom of this
I know, getting a replace car, the worries etc.

Even if you can't get back, good luck from me and those that tried to help.

Best wishes

Mineral1

Any update?

rachellelouise

Good evening

Sorry to all who have waited for a reply from me...I have been ridiculously busy and we are still not 100% sure and my husband is currently in Northern Ireland due to a family emergency so I have been trying to keep my head above water!

This is a word for word quote from him I asked him to text me...
"The cam belt has come off and got stuck. The garage are going to strip the engine to see if it can still turn, or if it has seized. If it turns they are going to look to see if they can fix it."

So it sounds as though it isn't the cam belt has broken, but more its moved...and someone further back had put links to a website that showed that the UK hadn't, but parts of Europe had recalled the vehicle due to the metal that was holding the cam belt being faulty. Peugeot basically said 'it wasn't recalled in the UK' end of...and they said if we wanted them to investigate it we would need to get the car towed to them and booked in...which could be a big and not needed expense.

The garage are going to strip the car out, they said if it can be fixed they will fix it...he has been lovely and lent us a courtesy car, and also he hasn't yet got round to stripping the engine out yet as he is very busy...he is doing us a favour by letting it sit there at least we temporarily have a vehicle...

I am not holding out much hope. 
If we have to go down the route of a new engine we would opt for a second hand, but its probably worth more than the car is so not worth it, in which case we would scrap it and I will cross my fingers for a lottery win!

I do appreciate everyones thoughts on this, everyones advice and suggestions...and I apologise for keeping you all waiting after you have been so helpful to us. 

CoastingHatbox

You may not need a new/replacement engine by the sounds of your last post.

If the cam belt has moved/come unstuck, then you might be lucky and a new cam belt kit (including water pump and tensioners) might resolve the problem.

After that, it might need a new camshaft and followers, if the slipping belt has caused minimal damage.

This is probably best case scenario though.

SergeantBaker

CoastingHatbox said:

You may not need a new/replacement engine by the sounds of your last post.

If the cam belt has moved/come unstuck, then you might be lucky and a new cam belt kit (including water pump and tensioners) might resolve the problem.

After that, it might need a new camshaft and followers, if the slipping belt has caused minimal damage.

This is probably best case scenario though.

With an interference engine it's likely they do.