Octopus Saving Session

Alnat1

I've no clue how the formula works but I used 3.28kWh in the 3 hour period on the 1st session and 7.68kWh on the 2nd. 0 used during the Session hour as we have batteries. I've got £10.04 total.

[Deleted User]

Seriously read the framework document, it does not talk about multiple basslines. Baseline is baseline. I have solar panels and nobody is at home through the week so usage is pretty much a constant zero! APART from before a session then I set timers to burn every kwh I can.

OK there are multiple baselines as in one per half hour slot in the session BUT not for the inday adjustment

I 'm thinking I am correct, but can you refer to documents or data to show I'm wrong?

Alnat1

I'm happy as I accidently played the game on SS1 and it led me to playing on purpose for SS2.

It seems I can earn around £1 for each kWh I use in the 3 hour period that starts 4 hours before the SS starts, so I will continue to run the washer/dryer/dishwasher and fill my battery during that time for future SS  

[Deleted User]

They take the unadjusted baseline for the periods requested for the saving session.  then compare each of them (so far two, as only one hour sessions) and compare them to the six half our session ON THE DAY in question (four to one hour before the event) Sum and average the add back to the bassline.. OMG the baseline for each slot is irrelevant.. HONSTLY my numbers thus far have proved it, what a mess and an embarrassment..

I'm only trying to share and help people benefit from the scheme.

The framework document is super clear, but worryingly flawed, yet approved by the power companies as an approved method of describing the reduction is power by a customer.

I'm installing things to make sure I make £25 per hour next session.. AND I expect I will

The appropriate selection of the48 baselines are only used for the baseline NOT the inday adjustment, its pretty clear.

morhen

I really have no idea how the maths works, but my battery powers my house and on average I draw about 1 KW a week if solar is bad.  I guess I can't save anything as my baseline is zero already?  I earned 2p in the first saver session somehow.

Chrysalis

Saved 58% by just using things normally, value of 37 pence.  So basically a free unit just for opting in.

Looking at the posts, looks like this is profitable for those with the means to have solar panels, batteries etc.

[Deleted User]

Chrysalis said:

Looking at the posts, looks like this is profitable for those with the means to have solar panels, batteries etc.

Batteries are extremely useful for an action like this, after all it is essentially moving load from one time to another which is one of a battery's primary functions.

Solar panels less useful, because they tend to make your baseline lower and give you less potential for saving.

It still seems game-able though, if you deliberately use a lot imore than normal n that three hour in-day window (although again that's time-shifting load which is kind of the point).  Move your load to that three hour window rather than any other time and you get bumped up rewards.

Chrysalis

[Deleted_User] said:

They take the unadjusted baseline for the periods requested for the saving session.  then compare each of them (so far two, as only one hour sessions) and compare them to the six half our session ON THE DAY in question (four to one hour before the event) Sum and average the add back to the bassline.. OMG the baseline for each slot is irrelevant.. HONSTLY my numbers thus far have proved it, what a mess and an embarrassment..

I'm only trying to share and help people benefit from the scheme.

The framework document is super clear, but worryingly flawed, yet approved by the power companies as an approved method of describing the reduction is power by a customer.

I'm installing things to make sure I make £25 per hour next session.. AND I expect I will

The appropriate selection of the48 baselines are only used for the baseline NOT the inday adjustment, its pretty clear.

First appreciate you sharing the info. (even if its not fully right)

Second I think if they valuing use on the current day instead of just comparing to hostorical use its actually better as it rewards having a lower % load of the daily use during the monitored hour(s) but would have been better if they did it over the entire day not just the proceeding 3 hours.

Not sure if I am prepared to chance it though?   Turn on a portable heater and keep boiling the kettle for 3 hours then get a nice pay day the week after lol.  Or if the gamble doesnt work pay a massive bill.

peter3hg

Chrysalis said:

[Deleted_User] said:

They take the unadjusted baseline for the periods requested for the saving session.  then compare each of them (so far two, as only one hour sessions) and compare them to the six half our session ON THE DAY in question (four to one hour before the event) Sum and average the add back to the bassline.. OMG the baseline for each slot is irrelevant.. HONSTLY my numbers thus far have proved it, what a mess and an embarrassment..

I'm only trying to share and help people benefit from the scheme.

The framework document is super clear, but worryingly flawed, yet approved by the power companies as an approved method of describing the reduction is power by a customer.

I'm installing things to make sure I make £25 per hour next session.. AND I expect I will

The appropriate selection of the48 baselines are only used for the baseline NOT the inday adjustment, its pretty clear.

First appreciate you sharing the info. (even if its not fully right)

Second I think if they valuing use on the current day instead of just comparing to hostorical use its actually better as it rewards having a lower % load of the daily use during the monitored hour(s) but would have been better if they did it over the entire day not just the proceeding 3 hours.

Not sure if I am prepared to chance it though?   Turn on a portable heater and keep boiling the kettle for 3 hours then get a nice pay day the week after lol.  Or if the gamble doesnt work pay a massive bill.

You can see the difference with load shifting and not on my results. The first session I was working at the office so my in day usage was minimal, therefore my savings potential was low. The second session I was working from home so was able to shift washing, dishwasher, immersion heater and car charging in to the in-day adjustment period.
£0.49 in the first session compared to £11.24 in the second session.

[Deleted User]

There seem to be two different behaviours in connection with an 'energy saving' scheme like this, and I can't work out which they are really trying to incentivise (although it is clear which behaviour is actually most beneficial).

Either they want to reduce the amount of energy used overall or they want to shift when the energy is used in the day (but there is no corresponding desire for overall reduction).  The two behaviours would require a different incentive and a different measurement metric.

Using the restricted in-day window provides clear opportunity to gain by shifting load into the window - even if the overall energy use remains constant.  Whether this is the intent or not, it is certainly how the logic works.