All Sony Play Station 5's costing £96 per year when switched off?

Chrysalis

My Xbox Series S has a bug, when it claims to be in energy efficient mode it uses 20w.

Also if you select full shutdown it doesnt shutdown the console, only goes into its 20w idle mode.  I have raised this on the insiders bug reports, but they dont care, have considered going to press, so bad press would then make them fix it.

I now physically unplug it when not in use.

PS5 however seems fine, under 1W.

smjxm09

Just to let folk know, I have posted a link to the video of the shut down on the last page.

Astria

Measuring current with a meter like that is unreliable at best, plus you should be monitoring the voltage at the same time else it's meaningless as watts = volts * amps - you should be using the proper tool for the job. For example, my PS5 was downloading an update in the background whilst switched 'off' and was drawing 12W, if I switch it off completely it draws less than 1W.

smjxm09

Rubbish, you have no idea what you are talking about.    It is a proper tool for the job, as it is a company calibrated meter that I used for years in my job. As for my background I was an apprentice served electronics engineering.    My house measures around 230V. The current is 140mA.  If it measured 22OV the power would be 30.6watts. At 240v the power would be 33.6w.  For the PS5 to be in spec the house voltage would need to be 5 volts rather than 230V. Are you really suggesting my home functions on 5 volts? 

The house power meter ( as seen) also showed a large drop at the same time. 

For comparison I have measured my kitchen cordless phone base station.   That draws 2 mA or 0.46watts.  That is what the PS5 is meant to draw when switched off. 

 

QrizB

smjxm09 said:

Rubbish, you have no idea what you are talking about.    It is a proper tool for the job, as it is a company calibrated meter that I used for years in my job. As for my background I was an apprentice served electronics engineering.

You will have heard of power factor, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

Your PS5 has a switched-mode PSU. These can have very poor power factors at low load:

The current is 140mA.  If it measured 220V the power would be 30.6watts. At 240v the power would be 33.6w.  For the PS5 to be in spec the house voltage would need to be 5 volts rather than 230V. Are you really suggesting my home functions on 5 volts? 

Your calculations are only correct for a system with a power factor of 1.

Ultrasonic

smjxm09 said:

Here is the YouTube video of the PS5 shutting down.  The watt meter on the left is showing whole house power consumption while the meter of the right is showing PS5 mA consumption.  Remember that my next door neighbours PS5 does the same.

https://youtu.be/UE1spMTfbQg

It's really hard to know what to make of that video given I can't tell if you switched off power at the socket at any point? Either way, using an identical looking IHD to yours, the power shown on mine doesn't drop when doing so as I shared above. You also need to be mindful of any other possible contributions to this changing whilst testing of course.

smjxm09

I was turning the power off at the socket to plug the meter in, as I had to break into the live wire using a separate plug and socket that the PS5 was plugged into .   On switching the socket on but leaving the PS5 off the meter reads 140mA. It has been doing this for weeks ,as I keep going back to it.  Flicking the wall socket off resulted in  0mA.

 For the purposes of the video I needed to show the screen so the PS5 was booted up with the meter already connected and then shut down leaving a current of 140mA.

Ultrasonic

smjxm09 said:

I was turning the power off at the socket to plug the meter in, as I had to break into the live wire using a separate plug and socket that the PS5 was plugged into .   On switching the socket on but leaving the PS5 off the meter reads 140mA. It has been doing this for weeks ,as I keep going back to it.  Flicking the wall socket off resulted in  0mA.

 For the purposes of the video I needed to show the screen so the PS5 was booted up with the meter already connected and then shut down leaving a current of 140mA.

I'm not sure your meter is useful for the reasons @QrizB explained, which is why I was focusing on the IHD. A time-stamp for switching the power off would help but I also wonder if there is an issue of not waiting long enough after shutdown before doing this. My own test of switching power on/off at the socket showing no difference was a long time after shutdown.

One of two things is happening for you: either the test is flawed or your PS5 has a fault. 

smjxm09

QrizB said:

smjxm09 said:

Rubbish, you have no idea what you are talking about.    It is a proper tool for the job, as it is a company calibrated meter that I used for years in my job. As for my background I was an apprentice served electronics engineering.

You will have heard of power factor, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

Your PS5 has a switched-mode PSU. These can have very poor power factors at low load:

Your calculations are only correct for a system with a power factor of 1.

Interesting point.  My smart meter gives live readings and sends half hourly reports 24/7 to the app, which is updated once a day and shows a difference between the PS5 being unplugged and plugged in, both live and recorded via the app, particularity if I count up a 6 hour period from midnight to 6 am when we are all asleep.  

The power that is claimed to have been used by the app matches the monthly bill.   I have no explanation apart from thinking we have a faulty PS5 but as stated many times in this thread my next door neighbour's PS5 does exactly the same.

Astria

smjxm09 said:

Rubbish, you have no idea what you are talking about.    It is a proper tool for the job, as it is a company calibrated meter that I used for years in my job. As for my background I was an apprentice served electronics engineering.    My house measures around 230V. The current is 140mA.  If it measured 22OV the power would be 30.6watts. At 240v the power would be 33.6w.  For the PS5 to be in spec the house voltage would need to be 5 volts rather than 230V. Are you really suggesting my home functions on 5 volts?

No, I'm saying you have no idea what you are talking about, you simply don't have enough information to calculate what you think you are calculating as you don't have the right tool for the job as I explained earlier. The meter you are using can only ever measure apparent power, but you are only charged for true power, so although your readings could be correct, it's not what you will be charged for so, technically, they could also be completely incorrect.