How much longer will this bear market go on for?

InvesterJones

Type_45 said:

Prism said:

Type_45 said:

Prism said:

Type_45 said:

Prism said:

Nobody has a clue - individuals, experts or institutions. Anyone with an opinion of what happens to markets is simply guessing. Its quite amusing watch people who are so sure of their guess.

Not true.  There is plenty of data to support the fact that the economy is in major trouble.  Lights flashing all over the dashboard.  

I said the markets not the economies. The markets already represent the group opinion of the future of the various economies. Besides, what do you mean by 'the economy'? The UK economy? The US? China? They are all different.

I said, about 10 posts ago on this thread:  "The real economy is accelerating into recession.  The financial markets will follow."

The real economy? what is that - The UK economy?

And your prediction about the markets is purely a guess.

Google: 'real economy '.

It refers to a portion of a country's economy.. so the question was valid - which economy?

Millyonare

Apodemus said:

adindas said:

It is now the bear market and stock market has been trending down slowly since November 2021.

While this is true for the World as a whole, there will be many UK self-investors who are (perhaps naively) over-exposed to the UK market which has been pretty flat for five or so years, with the exception of the Covid dip period.  Where the UK market will go is anyone's guess, but while these investors have probably not made the same gains in the past five years, they've not experienced the same drops in the last five months.  Such investors need to be wary of viewing this as evidence of a less volatile portfolio, or a lower risk one.

The FTSE100 has been in a bear market for almost quarter of a century. It has moved nowhere for the past 23 years. Some call it a Jurassic dinosaur market. It has gone beyond the bear.

Prism

Millyonare said:

Apodemus said:

adindas said:

It is now the bear market and stock market has been trending down slowly since November 2021.

While this is true for the World as a whole, there will be many UK self-investors who are (perhaps naively) over-exposed to the UK market which has been pretty flat for five or so years, with the exception of the Covid dip period.  Where the UK market will go is anyone's guess, but while these investors have probably not made the same gains in the past five years, they've not experienced the same drops in the last five months.  Such investors need to be wary of viewing this as evidence of a less volatile portfolio, or a lower risk one.

The FTSE100 has been in a bear market for almost quarter of a century. It has moved nowhere for the past 23 years. Some call it a Jurassic dinosaur market. It has gone beyond the bear.

You don't seem to understand the FTSE 100 at all

Apodemus

Prism said:

You don't seem to understand the FTSE 100 at all

I think Millyonare and I also have different definitions of what a Bear Market is!

DoublePolaroid

Wildly O/T so I expect deletion but, the poor dinosaurs. From that woman with the proper crazy eyes spooking Mick Lynch on Question Time to the only man in the world ever to describe any stock market in terms of geological timescales, the much maligned, extinct reptilians have become a byword for stagnation and outdatedness.

Yet they were phenomenally successful, by far the most abundant, diverse and widespread clade of large animals in Earth's history. They hung around for 150 million years; modern humans have been around for a fraction of 1% of that time and we'll probably be long gone before we get close to reaching 1%. If it wasn't for the random interaction between the planet and one of the largest asteroids to hit Earth since it was fully formed - an event which if it were repeated today would almost certainly finish us puny humans off - they'd probably still be here, and we wouldn't.

In fact, "they" are still here, in the form of their descendants, birds.

Dinosaurs need a good PR firm more than Rebekah Vardy.

Type_45

We can't decipher truth from fiction in our present day... And as Napoleon remarked, history is simply "lies agreed upon"... But we know for a fact what dinosaurs were all about and what happened hundreds of millions of years ago... Hats off to Paleontology!



Anyway, insiders are selling... retail are buying. Don't be a diplodocus and play their game. 

HardCoreProgrammer2

Type_45 said:

Anyway, insiders are selling... retail are buying.

Source?
I am curious because I never saw something like this mentioned in the news.

Type_45

In the US:

45% of American restaurants could not even pay rent in July.

One-third of all small businesses missed rent.

And despite today's good jobs report, major layoffs are happening at big name corporations.

Linton

Type_45 said:

In the US:

45% of American restaurants could not even pay rent in July.

One-third of all small businesses missed rent.

And despite today's good jobs report, major layoffs are happening at big name corporations.

And in the UK?  The only closures of small businesses in our area I have noticed are a couple which have folded because they were unable to find the staff they needed to continue after Covid.  It is difficult to see a recession happening whilst there is work  to do but not the people to do it.

PS the US unemployment rate in the US is below the pre-Covid level

jcuurthht

Linton said:

Type_45 said:

In the US:

45% of American restaurants could not even pay rent in July.

One-third of all small businesses missed rent.

And despite today's good jobs report, major layoffs are happening at big name corporations.

And in the UK? 

I assume most people are invested in all world funds which have <5% exposure to the UK, so it shouldn't really matter too much what happens here.