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Spring Parking & DCBL LEGAL - I won in court!!!

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  • Received the following in response to me message to DCBL today as well:

    Dear XXXXXXXX,

     

    We write further to your email dated 23/10/2024 and note the contents.

     

    To clarify, our Client has not discontinued their Claim and will be proceeding to the Hearing which has been listed for XXXXXXX at XXXXXXXX.

     Should you be unsure of your position, your may wish to seek independant legal advice.

  • Pat_Burger
    Pat_Burger Posts: 102 Forumite
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    edited 25 October 2024 at 2:20PM
    When inputting employment contract into the witness statement, where it says about being able to use a parking space, should I use the whole contract as an exhibit of just up to where it says about a parking space? I'm just aware of page constraints etc
  • Coupon-mad
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    Received the following in response to me message to DCBL today as well:

    Dear XXXXXXXX,

     

    We write further to your email dated 23/10/2024 and note the contents.

     

    To clarify, our Client has not discontinued their Claim and will be proceeding to the Hearing which has been listed for XXXXXXX at XXXXXXXX.

     Should you be unsure of your position, your may wish to seek independant legal advice.


    Dear xxxxxx

    I'm not unsure of my position. 

    However, should you be unsure of how to spell the word independent, perhaps you 'could of' sought grammar advice from a grown-up.

    yours sincerely
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  • Le_Kirk
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    Dear XXXXXXXX,

     We write further to your email dated 23/10/2024 and note the contents.

     To clarify, our Client has not discontinued their Claim and will be proceeding to the Hearing which has been listed for XXXXXXX at XXXXXXXX.

     Should you be unsure of your position, your may wish to seek independant legal advice.

    Dear xxxxxx

    I'm not unsure of my position. 

    However, should you be unsure of how to spell the word independent, perhaps you 'could of' sought grammar advice from a grown-up.

    yours sincerely
    I bet you had to grit your teeth when you typed that!
  • Haha brilliant!

    I must resist sending though! 

    What are people's thoughts r.e. the whole employment contract as evidence, or just part?
  • Coupon-mad
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    No I was deadly serious.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
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  • LDast
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    Haha brilliant!

    I must resist sending though! 

    What are people's thoughts r.e. the whole employment contract as evidence, or just part?
    Why on earth would you "resist sending" that? Of course you send it. Are you imagining a world with unicorns, rainbows and stardust? You are dealing with utter vermin. Send it exactly as advised!
  • Fair play! Have sent, interesting to see if I actually get a response!
  • Pat_Burger
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    edited 29 October 2024 at 5:11PM
    Good afternoon All,

    I have put together my first draft of witness statement here -

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sb7wbsd5vse1svrq5gZgPGFZoiuNRyaZ/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=115896370209626773673&rtpof=true&sd=true

    Any thoughts and feedback is much appreciated thank you
  • Pat_Burger
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    edited 31 October 2024 at 2:23PM
    I have just recieved DCBL's Witness Statement:

    I, Alan Vorhand, of Po Box 77282, London, NW4 9LR, state as follows: -

    1. I am an employee, employed by Spring Parking Ltd (“my Company”). I am duly authorised to make
    this Statement on my Company’s behalf.

    2. I make this Statement in support of the Claimant’s Claim and in response to the Defence.

    3. The facts and matters set out in this statement are within my own knowledge unless I state otherwise.
    I believe them to be true. Where I refer to information supplied by others, the source is identified.
    Facts and matters derived from other sources are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

    Parties

    4. My Company provides private car park management services to private landowners, to manage the
    way motorists are permitted to park on their private land. My Company does so by issuing Parking
    Charge Notices (“PCN”) to any vehicle parked in a way the landowner does not permit.

    5. The Defendant is the recipient of a Parking Charge Notice issued by my Company. The details are set
    out herein.

    Accreditation

    6. At all material times, my Company was accredited by the Accredited Trade Association (“ATA”)
    known as the British Parking Association (“BPA”). The BPA has a Code of Practice (“Code”) that its
    members are expected to adhere to, or otherwise face potential sanctions. My Company operates in
    accordance with the Code.

    7. In order to obtain Registered Keeper details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency
    (“DVLA”) my Company must be a member of an ATA. It is therefore essential for my Company to
    comply with the Code.

    Background

    8. My Company issued a PCN (“Charge”) to the Vehicle (“Vehicle”) with details listed below:


    9. At the time of issue, my Company was instructed by the owner of the Land (“Landowner”) to
    manage parking on the Land. A copy of my Company’s agreement with the Landowner (“Landowner
    Agreement”) is exhibited to this Statement at “EXHIBIT 1”.

    10. I confirm that the term of the Landowner Agreement has been extended by mutual consent of the
    parties.

    Contract

    11. At the time of issue, my Company was prominently displaying signs on the Land setting out the
    Terms of parking. A copy of the content of the signs is exhibited to this Statement at “EXHIBIT 2”.
    The signs formed the basis of the Contract with the driver (“Contract”).

    12. The following was a term of the Contract: -

    “A VALID PARKING PERMIT MUST BE CLEARLY DISPLAYED AT ALL TIMES”

    13. In parking the Vehicle on the Land, the driver accepted the Contract, with the license to park being
    the Consideration. It is evident from the photographic evidence exhibited to this Statement at
    “EXHIBIT 3” that the driver failed to adhere to the terms of the Contract by parking as they did,
    thus breaching the Contract.

    14. The Contract provides that a Charge is payable by the driver upon breach, with payment falling due
    within 28 days.

    15. A copy of the Notice to Keeper is exhibited to this Witness Statement at “EXHIBIT 4”.

    Defendant’s Liability

    16. Pursuant to the Contract; the Driver was liable to pay the Charge within 28 days of issue.

    17. To make the driver aware, a PCN was affixed to the Vehicle in accordance with Section 7 of
    Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“POFA”). Exhibited to this Statement at
    “EXHIBIT 5” is a copy of what was affixed.

    18. The driver failed to make payment and as such my Company applied to the DVLA for the details of
    the Registered Keeper and sent Notice to the Keeper compliant with Section 8 of POFA (see
    “EXHIBIT 4”). Paragraph 1 of POFA states that the Registered Keeper is presumed to be the
    ‘Keeper’ unless proven otherwise. Paragraph 4 of POFA gives my Company the right to recover
    from the ‘Keeper’.

    19. The Defendant confirms within their Defence that they were the Registered Keeper and Driver of the
    Vehicle. In any event, my Company has complied with POFA and can pursue the Defendant as
    Keeper in the alternative.

    Defence

    20. The Defendant was afforded a 28-day period in which they could appeal, and I am instructed they did
    not. The potential next step was clearly communicated to the Defendant in notices. It is respectfully
    submitted that if the Defendant genuinely believed the Charge had been issued incorrectly, they
    would have engaged with the appeals process further.

    21. The Court ought to note that the Defendant has filed a widely available templated Defence, rather
    than dealing with the substantive issues. It is submitted the this is disingenuous and a waste of both
    the Court’s and my Company’s time.

    22. Notwithstanding the above, I respond to the issues raised in the Defence by way of sub-headings as
    follows (as the Defence is quite repetitive, I will only deal with each point once, but for the
    avoidance of doubt, nothing within the Defence is accepted unless I specifically state otherwise):-
    The Contract

    i. The Defendant denies breaching any Terms. The Terms are exhibited at “EXHIBIT 2”
    make it clear that Vehicles must have a valid permit on display, of they will be issued with
    a PCN. The Defendant agreed to the Terms by parking on the Land. As seen at “EXHIBIT
    3”, the Vehicle was parked without a valid permit on display. Thus, it is my Company’s
    position that the PCN was issued correctly as the Terms of the Contract were breached;

    ii. The Terms on the signs, exhibited at “EXHIBIT 2” were adequate in respect of the overall
    size, font size, plain English, location and content. It is respectfully submitted that the
    signs are adequate to constitute notice of the Terms to the Driver. In the event that a Driver
    parks their Vehicle on the Land in which they do not own nor have prior authority to park,
    it is incumbent on the Driver to ascertain whether there is a remedy to prevent their
    unauthorised parking. It is reasonable to suggest that the Defendant should have sought out
    the signage. If they were unsure of the Terms of Parking on the Land;
    iii. In respect of the rules as per Schedule 2 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, specifically
    referred to:-

    Rule 6 – It is submitted that the sum is not disproportionate for the reasons set out within
    the “Amount Claimed” section of this Statement, nor is it “compensation”.

    Rule 10 – Signs were displayed throughout the Land. The Driver was aware of the fact that
    parking was managed from the point of entering the Land and could leave if they did not
    agree to the Terms. It is not unreasonable for the Driver to need to potentially walk no
    more than 10 meters to fully familiarise themselves with the full Terms. This would have
    all happened before the conclusion of the Contract.

    Rule 14 – The price is stated on the sign.

    Rule 18 – The fact the Driver was able to park means my Company fulfilled its
    obligations.
    Civil Procedure Rules Compliance

    i. The Defendant suggest that the Particulars of Claim (“POC”) are in breach of the Civil
    Procedure Rules (“CPRs”). I submit that the Claim was issued via the Civil National
    Business Centre and in this regard, I refer to Practice Direction 7C (“the PD”) which
    specifically provides the guidance for doing so. I respectfully submit that the POC are in
    keeping with the PD. The following sections are of relevance.:-

    5.2(1) provides a limited character count for the Particulars of Claim; and

    5.2A stipulates that the requirement in paragraph 7.3 of Practice Direction 16 for
    documents to be attached to the particulars of contract claims does not apply to claims

    started using an online claim form.

    ii. It is my Company’s position that the POC were sufficient to allow the Defendant to
    identify the subject matter of the Claim. The Defendant could not have submitted the
    Defence with the detail it contains if the POC were so insufficient as to prevent them from
    understanding the Claim. Further, with respect if the Defendant were of the genuine belief
    that the POC were sufficient, the correct procedure would have been to make an
    Application to the Court. The Defendant has chosen not to do so;

    iii. In addition to the above, I also refer to CPR 1 and respectfully remind the Defendant of
    their obligation to deal with the case justly and at proportionate cost. Bearing in mind the
    Claim amount, the Claimant has taken proportionate steps to recover the debt;

    Defendant’s Liability

    iv. Within their Defence, the Defendant suggest that they were employed by XXXXXX on
    05/08/2015 and has been parking at the Location since the beginning of employment. The
    Defendant states that their employment contract stipulates that employees can use the car
    park and will be provided with a security code to access the car park. The Terms and
    Conditions of parking on the Land make it clear that a valid permit needs to be displayed
    at all times. This was the same regardless of whether the Defendant was employed by a
    Company utilising the Land. The Defendant therefore benefited from the parking
    management service. They could not reasonably expect to access the benefit of the service,
    but at the same time refuse to comply with the requirements of it. If the Defendant was
    unable to comply with the Terms, they should have sought alternative parking until a
    permit was obtained;

    Penalty/Amount Claimed

    v. In respect of the Defendant’s allegation that the Claim is a penalty, my Company is not
    seeking more than the original Charge as the core debt. The core Charge remains the same
    for each PCN (i.e. £95.00), however, my Company is now also seeking further
    costs/damages;
    vi. My Company is instructed to manage the Land, the Landowner Agreement previously
    referred to in this statement confirms this. My Company’s legitimate interest is to fulfil
    this obligation. Because there is a clear legitimate interest/commercial justification, the
    same as that established in ParkingEye -v- Beavis [2015], this case does not fall foul of the
    penalty rules established in that case;
    vii. The amount charged is in line with the guidelines give by the ATA. Part 20.5 of the BPA
    COP states “We would not expect this amount to be more than £100. If the charge is more
    than this, operators must be able to justify the amount in advance”. It is my Company’s
    position that there is no requirement for the amount of the charge to bear any relevant to
    the actual potential cost of parking. The PCN is a fee charged by my Company for

    providing the service and it stays within the guidelines given by the ATA. As with many
    other ‘services’, the serviced provider is entitled to charge as they deem appropriate;
    viii. The amount charged is set at a rate that covers the operational costs of the parking
    management scheme and acts as a deterrent, as was found to be appropriate in Parking Eye
    -v- Beavis [2015];
    ix. As payment was not made within the prescribed time, or indeed at all, the additional sum if
    claimed as a contractual cost pursuant to the Contract which states:-
    “Unpaid PCNs may be passed on to a debt recovery team and additional costs may be incurred”

    x. As set out above, the PCN is intended to include ‘operational costs’. It is submitted that
    debt recovery action is not an operational cost and as such claiming the cost of doing so
    would not fall foul of the 2015 decision;

    xi. The sum added is a nominal contribution to the actual costs incurred by my Company as a
    result of the Defendant’s non-payment and capped at the amount permitted under the ATA
    Code. My Company’s employees spent time and resources attempting to recover the debt,
    as well as instruction external debt recovery providers, all at a cost to the Company. This is
    not my Company’s usual business and, but for the Defendant’s refusal to pay, would not
    have been necessary;
    xii. When considering the recoverability of this element of the claim, I respectfully draw the
    Court’s attention to Paragraph 45 of Paragraph 45 of Chaplair Limited v Kumari [2015]
    EWCA Civ 798 whereby, when considering contractual indemnity costs, it was stated:-
    “There is nothing ... which enable[s] the rules to exclude or override that contractual
    entitlement and I therefore agree with Arden LJ that the Judge had the jurisdiction to
    assess the costs free from any restraints imposed by CPR 27.14”;

    xiii. The successful appeal in Britannia Parking Group Ltd v Semark-Jullien [2020] EW Misc 12
    (CC) (29 July 2020) found that the inclusion of the debt recovery charge in the Claim does
    not fall foul of the decision of Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, because that was
    not the point in discussion in that case. The appeal also concluded that the inclusion of such
    a charge in a Claim of this type does not constitute an abuse of process that would allow for
    the entire Claim to be struck out;

    New Code of Practice (“COP”)

    xiv. The Defendant makes reference to the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and
    Communities (“DLUHC”) and the ‘new’ parking code of practice originally published in
    February 2022 within their Defence. With respect, it is submitted that this bears no
    relevance to the matter at hand as the code has not yet been enacted with the current status
    of the code being ‘withdrawn’ as of June 2022;
    xv. Further to the above, the Defendant’s opinion of the industry being regulated by the
    Independent Parking Committee and British Parking Association bears no relevance to the
    Defendant’s liability. With respect, nothing has currently been implemented by the
    Government for my Company to adhere to (although this is of course pending). I
    respectfully ask the question: would the Defendant have deemed it more appropriate for
    my Company to not adhere to the COP(?). Referring to that Code is not ‘misleading’ – it is
    (at the present time) entirely relevant and section 111 of Parking Eye -v- Beavis [2015]
    confirmed that;

    The Protection of Freedom Act 2012 (“POFA”)

    xvi. The Defendant implies that my Company must prove POFA compliance, My Company
    has complied with the requirements of POFA to pursue the Defendant as the Registered
    Keeper.
    xvii. As the Defendant failed to respond to the affixed PCN, Notices were sent to the address
    the DVLA confirmed was that of the Registered Keeper. The Notices were sent to the
    same address the defendant has confirmed as their correct address for service. Copies of
    the Notices can be seen at “EXHIBIT 4”. The Notices afforded the Defendant the
    opportunity to appeal the charge or nominate an alternative driver, which they failed to do.
    It is respectfully submitted that the Defendant was put on notice of the Charge and failed to
    respond or pay;
    Landowner Authority

    iv. The Landowner Agreement is a Contract between the Landowner and my Company which
    permits my Company to operate the parking scheme on behalf of the Landowner. Thus,
    my Company is authorised to issue Parking Charges to any motorist that have breached the
    Terms and Conditions of parking;

    v. I refer to the decision in One Parking Solution Ltd v Wilshaw [2021] (Wilshaw) whereby it
    was found that it is not necessary for the Claimant to prove the Landowner’s authority to
    constitute a valid cause of action to recover the PCN, what is required is proof that there is
    a binding Contract between the Claimant and the Defendant. Further it was found in
    Wilshaw that the Contract between the Claimant and the Freeholder (Landowner) does not
    affect the validity of any Contract between the Claimant and the Defendant;
    vi. The Defendant alleges that my Company has no authority to bring the Claim. The
    Landowner instructed my Company to manage the parking on the Land and issue Parking
    Charges to any Vehicle found to be in breach of the Terms of parking. A copy of the
    agreement can be seen at “EXHIBIT 1”. It is respectfully submitted that my Company has
    the relevant authority to issue Parking Charges and bring Claims for such in the event the
    charges remain outstanding. In any event, the Defendant is a third part to the Landowner
    Agreement and privity and Contract applies;
    vii. The Defendant alleges that my Company has failed to adhere to the Landowner
    definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation and instructions to cancel charges
    due to complaints. The Defendant is a third party to the Landowner Agreement. Privity
    and Contract applies;


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