Potentially lethal failure

diystarter7

DB1904 said:

diystarter7 said:

shiraz99 said:

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

photome said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Who started all this stop/start button stupidity? It drives me mad. What is wrong with a key in the ignition? I thought with time I would find an advantage but I just can't. What is the advantage even supposed to be? Drives me mad every time I get in my newest car.

I am not a fan of keyless ignition ( got to find somewhere to put my key everytime) 

A pocket? And/or just attach them to your keyring with your other keys? Or do you have a keyless house?

good idea "pocket" lol then the fob is accidentally triggered. If I every get a keyless entry car I'd never put it my pocket when driving for that very reason

I've never accidentally triggered my keys by having them in my pocket whilst driving.

Fair enough but can you speak for the other millions, no you can't.

Can you evidence the other millions who have accidentally triggered their keys?

What I can very easily state and which most people with some knowledge will consider it to be a massive probability and or fact is it does happen, it will happen and it's happened to a work person. Slightly different, my tailgate has opened from inside the house a couple of times when I was going out, keys in hand and picking something up.

The probabilities of that happening are certainly there its the law of averages and one can't argue with that unless one just wants to argue. I have nothing more to add to this so will let you have the last word.

molerat

There should be nothing you can accidentally trigger once in the car, the car knows the keys are in the car so disables most of the functions.  I have never had any problems with keys in my pocket and one added bonus is that it is almost impossible to lock keys in the car. I have tried locking the car using the spare fob with the other set in the car and it wouldn't do it, the only way is to use the internal button as you would when driving.  Old fashioned remotes were a much simpler beast, press a button and the car obeyed, there is much more to the systems now.

DB1904

diystarter7 said:

DB1904 said:

diystarter7 said:

shiraz99 said:

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

photome said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Who started all this stop/start button stupidity? It drives me mad. What is wrong with a key in the ignition? I thought with time I would find an advantage but I just can't. What is the advantage even supposed to be? Drives me mad every time I get in my newest car.

I am not a fan of keyless ignition ( got to find somewhere to put my key everytime) 

A pocket? And/or just attach them to your keyring with your other keys? Or do you have a keyless house?

good idea "pocket" lol then the fob is accidentally triggered. If I every get a keyless entry car I'd never put it my pocket when driving for that very reason

I've never accidentally triggered my keys by having them in my pocket whilst driving.

Fair enough but can you speak for the other millions, no you can't.

Can you evidence the other millions who have accidentally triggered their keys?

What I can very easily state and which most people with some knowledge will consider it to be a massive probability and or fact is it does happen, it will happen and it's happened to a work person. Slightly different, my tailgate has opened from inside the house a couple of times when I was going out, keys in hand and picking something up.

The probabilities of that happening are certainly there its the law of averages and one can't argue with that unless one just wants to argue. I have nothing more to add to this so will let you have the last word.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it a fact. I'll ask again can you evidence it?

Grumpy_chap

I have never seen a car with keyless start where the buttons on the keyfob allow you to start / stop the car. 
It seems entirely counter-intuitive to have buttons on the keyfob for stop / start as that would entirely counter the whole keyless start idea.

I am not necessarily sure that keyless start is a good idea.  I think we should revert to the crank-handle.

oceansoul1

Once on holiday in Florida I had a ford Escape (Kuga) rental car which had remote start from the keyfob. Double press of the start button and the car would start and the air con would cool the car down. All the doors stayed locked, and the car needed unlocking normally to get in.

 w w w.ford.com/support/how-tos/keys-and-locks/key-fob-and-remote-start/how-do-i-remote-start-my-vehicle-using-the-key-fob/

SiliconChip

diystarter7 said:

SiliconChip said:

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

photome said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Who started all this stop/start button stupidity? It drives me mad. What is wrong with a key in the ignition? I thought with time I would find an advantage but I just can't. What is the advantage even supposed to be? Drives me mad every time I get in my newest car.

I am not a fan of keyless ignition ( got to find somewhere to put my key everytime) 

A pocket? And/or just attach them to your keyring with your other keys? Or do you have a keyless house?

If I every get a keyless entry car I'd never put it my pocket when driving for that very reason

I think you need to get one and understand how they work before pontificating on the subject. Certainly with my Ford keyless entry there is nothing on the fob that could be pressed that has any impact on stopping or starting the engine.

Perhaps you could try to understand that there are other marques other than "Ford" lol before you start pontificating on this matter. I'd strongly recommend you look and investigate at least a dozen of the marques before wrongly assuming what applies
to your "Ford" may not be applicable to other makes. 

You haven't yet given a single example of a fob that includes the facility to turn off the engine by pressing a button either deliberately or accidentally. I've given one where it is simply not possible, and while we now have one example of a button that will start a car remotely even that one appears not to stop the car in any circumstance other then when it is locked and stationary. It simply makes no sense to have a remote stop function for a car that is in motion and I challenge to you provide any evidence at all that one exists.

molerat

Grumpy_chap said:

I have never seen a car with keyless start where the buttons on the keyfob allow you to start / stop the car. 
It seems entirely counter-intuitive to have buttons on the keyfob for stop / start as that would entirely counter the whole keyless start idea.

I am not necessarily sure that keyless start is a good idea.  I think we should revert to the crank-handle.

A few cars have remote start now.  Generally the doors have to be locked and the key not in the car. It is usually a long or multiple press, not something that can easily be done in error.  I don't know of any that you can stop the engine with.  Some can also be remote started from an app.

If the remote key is kept under one's tinfoil hat it will prevent it from carrying out any uncomanded / accidental actions.

facade

SiliconChip said:

It simply makes no sense to have a remote stop function for a car that is in motion and I challenge to you provide any evidence at all that one exists.

Actually as a security feature it does make sense.

Suppose a naughty criminal jumped into the driving seat of your running car* (with shopping, dog and baby in the back) and drove off.

How useful if you could press a button and stop the car, then walk up to it and go all Old Testament on them...

*no, I can't imagine how either, but google it, it happens.

Herzlos

facade said:

SiliconChip said:

It simply makes no sense to have a remote stop function for a car that is in motion and I challenge to you provide any evidence at all that one exists.

Actually as a security feature it does make sense.

Suppose a naughty criminal jumped into the driving seat of your running car* (with shopping, dog and baby in the back) and drove off.

How useful if you could press a button and stop the car, then walk up to it and go all Old Testament on them...

*no, I can't imagine how either, but google it, it happens.

Of course, if they keys are in your pocket then they won't be able to start it again once they've stopped. It'll make an awful noise once they leave the key fob range too.

Herzlos

diystarter7 said:

shiraz99 said:

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

photome said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Who started all this stop/start button stupidity? It drives me mad. What is wrong with a key in the ignition? I thought with time I would find an advantage but I just can't. What is the advantage even supposed to be? Drives me mad every time I get in my newest car.

I am not a fan of keyless ignition ( got to find somewhere to put my key everytime) 

A pocket? And/or just attach them to your keyring with your other keys? Or do you have a keyless house?

good idea "pocket" lol then the fob is accidentally triggered. If I every get a keyless entry car I'd never put it my pocket when driving for that very reason

I've never accidentally triggered my keys by having them in my pocket whilst driving.

Fair enough but can you speak for the other millions, no you can't.

What do you reckon these people are all accidentally triggering? The boot release?