EV Discussion thread

QrizB

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

The story is also being reported by the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mxgzpj1dvo

MeteredOut

QrizB said:

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

If it is true, I'd see this as a way-in for everyone to eventually be migrated off the road-tax and onto a pay-per-mile. Once it happens for EVs, its an easier argument to move ICE cars over. I'd give it no more than 3-5 years for that to happen.

shinytop

MeteredOut said:

QrizB said:

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

If it is true, I'd see this as a way-in for everyone to eventually be migrated off the road-tax and onto a pay-per-mile. Once it happens for EVs, its an easier argument to move ICE cars over. I'd give it no more than 3-5 years for that to happen.

ICE cars are already  charged per mile via fuel duty/VAT. If we want to charge more just increase these. 

MeteredOut

shinytop said:

MeteredOut said:

QrizB said:

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

If it is true, I'd see this as a way-in for everyone to eventually be migrated off the road-tax and onto a pay-per-mile. Once it happens for EVs, its an easier argument to move ICE cars over. I'd give it no more than 3-5 years for that to happen.

ICE cars are already  charged per mile via fuel duty/VAT. If we want to charge more just increase these. 

I'm not saying what I think should happen. I'm saying what I think will happen.

NedS

QrizB said:

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

The story is also being reported by the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mxgzpj1dvo

Other than the fact the Chancellor is in a real bind, I don't understand why they would want to tax the clean option they are trying to get people to migrate to. If they are so desperate to raise the extra tax, slap it on the dirty polluting ICE cars you want to discourage through exiting road tax or fuel duty rather than generating yet another level of taxation.

Further, if you are so hard up and desperate to raise a little more in tax from EV drivers, why dosh out £3750 in grants off the price of an EV, and then try to claw back a couple hundred in pay per mile tax. Reduce the grant to £3500 or whatever is required to balance the books. Sigh

michaels

NedS said:

QrizB said:

shinytop said:
I suppose it had to come. But  wouldn't it be better to just increase road tax for EVs? Much easier/cheaper than faffing around with estimated mileage?

That was my thought too. There's a serviceable way to tax vehicles already, the road tax. Why create an entirely new mechanism?

Add £240 (equivalent to 8k miles at 3ppm) to EV road tax and be done with it.

The story is also being reported by the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mxgzpj1dvo

Other than the fact the Chancellor is in a real bind, I don't understand why they would want to tax the clean option they are trying to get people to migrate to. If they are so desperate to raise the extra tax, slap it on the dirty polluting ICE cars you want to discourage through exiting road tax or fuel duty rather than generating yet another level of taxation.

Further, if you are so hard up and desperate to raise a little more in tax from EV drivers, why dosh out £3750 in grants off the price of an EV, and then try to claw back a couple hundred in pay per mile tax. Reduce the grant to £3500 or whatever is required to balance the books. Sigh

Surely better to add 3p per mile to all cars not just EVs and tweak it up as ev penetration increases?

Magnitio

Just increase duty on petrol and diesel. It was delayed when the prices went up after Russia invaded Ukraine. Now the prices have come back to more reasonable levels, they should increase the tax and provide a greater incentive to use cleaner methods of transport (bike/bus/train/ev)

QrizB

Magnitio said:

Just increase duty on petrol and diesel.

If the average light vehicle gets 45mpg, 3p/mile would be 30p/litre.

Sounds fair.

MikeJXE

Stop EV tariffs and pay the same as everyone else

That’s Fair 

Stop incentives to buy EVs and pay the same as ICE

That’s Fair

debitcardmayhem

Magnitio said:

Just increase duty on petrol and diesel. It was delayed when the prices went up after Russia invaded Ukraine. Now the prices have come back to more reasonable levels, they should increase the tax and provide a greater incentive to use cleaner methods of transport (bike/bus/train/ev)

And people wonder where politicians get their crazy ideas that they can tame inflation. Jeez cleaner transport does not come free , small businesses need to make a living , I know let’s all pay £1000/kWh for our electricity/gas so the government can give EVs free, and run trains and buses. 

You will tell us next that we should scrap millions of perfectly good PCs because Russia invaded Ukraine, oh sorry that was Microsoft selling Windows 11.