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  • silvercar
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    When I am driving my EV on the B setting and |I take my foot of the accelerator then the car slows down quite quickly.  Do my brake lights come on even though I don't press the brake pedal?  Or could I take someone tailgating me by surprise?
    They do come on if you are slowing down fast enough.
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  • MeteredOut
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    edited 21 March 2024 at 2:24PM
    When I am driving my EV on the B setting and |I take my foot of the accelerator then the car slows down quite quickly.  Do my brake lights come on even though I don't press the brake pedal?  Or could I take someone tailgating me by surprise?
    Depends on the car, but generally yes, thought not necessarily as soon as you take your foot off the pedal. Some EVs will have a deceleration amount after which it'll engage the brake lights.

    From a random google search

    There are EU/UN regulations for this which VAG uses for all its vehicles:

    Deceleration ≤ 0.7 m/s2: The signal shall not be generated​
    Deceleration between > 0.7 m/s2 and ≤ 1.3 m/s2: The signal may be generated​
    Deceleration > 1.3 m/s2: The signal shall be generated​


  • JKenH
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    edited 21 March 2024 at 2:42PM
    JKenH said:

    One of the interesting comments in the video is that ICE cars may become premium vehicles and residual values of ICE cars and vans will increase. 


    Perhaps because only the rich will be able to afford ICE, with the inherent inefficiency, expensive servicing and maintenance demands.

    I rather feel that legacy auto (or anyone) hailing the benefits of ICE over EV will be proven by history to be similar to Triumph Motorcycles (I think) who declared, when the Japanese first exported their nice, clean, quiet (comparatively) motorbikes to UK, that no-one wanted clean bikes - it was part of the experience to suffer the noise, dirt and oil.
    Only time will tell - predictions are notoriously unreliable. What we do know will happen, though, is that less ICE cars (and more EVs) will be manufactured and the numbers coming to the used market will inevitably affect residuals to some extent. 

    The balance of supply and demand (either ICE or EV) is what drives prices on the used market. If we distort the new car market in favour of EVs, as we have seen, that leads to over supply in the used market in the short term with a commensurate impact on residuals. The corollary to that is that ICE residuals should rise but we haven’t seen that yet and won’t for a while. An extra 100, used EVs over the entering a marketplace which last year only sold around 118k used EVs could distort the used EV market massively whereas 100k fewer ICE cars entering a used market of, say, 7m cars is hardly noticeable. Over the next 4-5 years, though, as less new ICE cars are sold the trickle down effect, with a shortage of 2-3 year old ICE cars on the used market could be significant. 

    If the supply of 2-3year old cars has been cut by 75% yet demand for those ICE cars has only fallen by around 50% ICE prices will rise. The fundamental problem is that used EV demand among private buyers is lagging a long way behind new EV sales which go mainly to fleets and businesses and with 30% (or more) of the population unable to charge at home it may never catch up.

    I think the comparison with Triumph motorcycles cycles is flawed. The Japanese bikes just did everything better and were cheaper and were a practical replacement for everyone riding a Triumph. It was only die hard enthusiasts who rejected them. That’s not the case with EVs. EVs may get cheaper but there will still be a significant rump of the population (particularly those without access to home charging) that will still find ICE cars more convenient. They may even want an EV but depending on their accommodation just can’t make one work. 
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  • Martyn1981
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    silvercar said:
    When I am driving my EV on the B setting and |I take my foot of the accelerator then the car slows down quite quickly.  Do my brake lights come on even though I don't press the brake pedal?  Or could I take someone tailgating me by surprise?
    They do come on if you are slowing down fast enough.
    And on Tesla's, you can see the brake light come on, on the car on the screen, if you lift off enough to cause more than light regen.
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  • Grumpy_chap
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    And on Tesla's, you can see the brake light come on, on the car on the screen, if you lift off enough to cause more than light regen.
    I've never seen that - perhaps I am looking at the road ahead too much ;)
  • michaels
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    JKenH said:
    JKenH said:

    One of the interesting comments in the video is that ICE cars may become premium vehicles and residual values of ICE cars and vans will increase. 


    Perhaps because only the rich will be able to afford ICE, with the inherent inefficiency, expensive servicing and maintenance demands.

    I rather feel that legacy auto (or anyone) hailing the benefits of ICE over EV will be proven by history to be similar to Triumph Motorcycles (I think) who declared, when the Japanese first exported their nice, clean, quiet (comparatively) motorbikes to UK, that no-one wanted clean bikes - it was part of the experience to suffer the noise, dirt and oil.
    Only time will tell - predictions are notoriously unreliable. What we do know will happen, though, is that less ICE cars (and more EVs) will be manufactured and the numbers coming to the used market will inevitably affect residuals to some extent. 

    The balance of supply and demand (either ICE or EV) is what drives prices on the used market. If we distort the new car market in favour of EVs, as we have seen, that leads to over supply in the used market in the short term with a commensurate impact on residuals. The corollary to that is that ICE residuals should rise but we haven’t seen that yet and won’t for a while. An extra 100, used EVs over the entering a marketplace which last year only sold around 118k used EVs could distort the used EV market massively whereas 100k fewer ICE cars entering a used market of, say, 7m cars is hardly noticeable. Over the next 4-5 years, though, as less new ICE cars are sold the trickle down effect, with a shortage of 2-3 year old ICE cars on the used market could be significant. 

    If the supply of 2-3year old cars has been cut by 75% yet demand for those ICE cars has only fallen by around 50% ICE prices will rise. The fundamental problem is that used EV demand among private buyers is lagging a long way behind new EV sales which go mainly to fleets and businesses and with 30% (or more) of the population unable to charge at home it may never catch up.

    I think the comparison with Triumph motorcycles cycles is flawed. The Japanese bikes just did everything better and were cheaper and were a practical replacement for everyone riding a Triumph. It was only die hard enthusiasts who rejected them. That’s not the case with EVs. EVs may get cheaper but there will still be a significant rump of the population (particularly those without access to home charging) that will still find ICE cars more convenient. They may even want an EV but depending on their accommodation just can’t make one work. 
    I think the second hand market is far from normal at the moment (seen in residuals) because of the covid 'bust' in new cars.  However I can certainly buy the argument that the second hand market will be weaker than the new market, not just because of the BIK but also because those in the market for new are likely to be richer than those in the market for second hand and thus more likely to have a property with off-street parking.  And I don't think anyone is claiming that the advantages of an EV are not an order of magnitude greater for those who can do most of their charging at home.  and that is even before you factor in things like the removal of the road tax exemption, many parking advantages, he congestion charge exemption etc etc.
    I think....
  • JKenH
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    edited 22 March 2024 at 9:38AM
    Positive growth in EV chargers at supermarkets except for Asda which has reduced the number of operating chargers from 165 to 46 following the termination of its contract with BP Pulse. The chargers are apparently still on site but not working - extremely frustrating for those who see them every time they go shopping and bad for the image of EV charging.

    According to a separate story in the Telegraph, Issa brothers who own Asda also own petrol station chain EG group which last year struck a deal with Tesla to roll out chargers across its petrol station sites in the UK and Europe. Asda struck a deal to buy the UK forecourts of EG Group last year but apparently the Tesla deal will not apply to Asda car parks. Asda is though looking at options to replace the BP Pulse chargers.


    One in eight UK supermarkets offer electric car charging – report


    One in eight UK supermarkets now offer electric vehicle (EV) charging despite Asda deactivating most of its devices, according to new research.

    Analysis by the RAC and charger locator service Zapmap found that the number of supermarkets with EV chargers rose from 1,015 at the end of 2022 to 1,616 12 months later.

    The latest figure equates to 13% of all 12,839 supermarkets, including those that do not have parking facilities.

    Morrisons is the supermarket chain with the highest proportion of stores offering EV charging at 69%, followed by Lidl (30%).

    Asda has charging facilities at just 2% of its stores as many of its devices were deactivated after its contract with infrastructure supplier bp pulse ended.


    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/one-eight-uk-supermarkets-offer-000100957.html






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  • JKenH
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    A somewhat unambitious prediction has been made by New AutoMotive, “whose raison d’etre is to encourage clean energy transition within road transport” regarding EV growth in 2024. Bearing in mind that there were 993k EVs in the road at the end of 2023, a target of 1.24m by 2025 is hardly a vote of confidence for EV sales this year. That’s only around an additional 250k BEVs compared to last year when 315k were added and EVs enjoyed 18% growth. 

    New AutoMotive publish third annual State of the Switch report


    Looking ahead, State of the Switch predicts that by 2025 the number of EVs on the road will have risen from around one million now to around 1.24m, aided by cheaper new cars that should be a consequence of the ZEV mandate kicking in.


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  • JKenH
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    Tesla Slows Down Production At Its Largest EV Factory In China


    According to Bloomberg (and CnEVPost), Tesla reduced production output at its Giga Shanghai factory in China amid sluggish growth and an ongoing price war. The unofficial report is based on input from "people familiar with the matter."

    The article says that in mid-March, Tesla instructed employees to reduce production of the Model 3 and the Model Y from the usual 6.5 days to 5 days per week, although the lines will continue to operate on two daily 11.5-hour shifts.


    https://insideevs.com/news/713399/report-tesla-slows-production-china/



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  • JKenH
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    ACEA February figures highlight 10.1% rise in EU car sales


    There has been a 10.1% rise in EU car sales in February compared to the same month last year, according to The European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA).

    EU car sales reached 883,608 units in February and in the first two months of 2023, car registrations grew by 11.2% to 1.7 million units.

    Petrol remains the most popular power source, despite its market share dropping from 36.9% to 35.5% while the EU diesel car market contracted by 5.1%.

    In February, battery-electric cars stabilised with a market share of 12%, while hybrid-electric cars held almost 29%. Battery-electric car sales grew by 9% to 106,187 units, maintaining a market share of 12%.


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