EV Discussion thread

Martyn1981

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

EV Database suggests 185 for winter highway range for the Eniyaq and having driven an ID4 that sounds realistic to me.  Sounds like it is a bit of a pain for you to swap cars for charging if you have to move them rather than just swapping the charger over.

That's at -10C, and I assume 100% of the miles will not be at motorway speeds.

We drove an id4 180 miles on mix of motorway and A roads at 55-70 mph at about 8c and stopped for a charge, it might just have made 220.  Had it been all motorway and zero degrees I suspect we would have made a fair bit less, especially as we did not use the heating to save range.

The crucial numbers here are 70 and 90 miles, so I think ~200 to 240 miles provides a significant enough buffer.

Martyn1981

CKhalvashi said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

We have cheap-ish charging at certain times of the day, working on solar+battery at the moment but due to external issues that's becoming quite a drawn out process. Paying even the higher rate should based on my calculations work out at a slightly lower electricity cost vs the diesel going into the Yeti, and that's assuming a worst case motorway drive in winter conditions. Using the EV database numbers we'd hope that it'd be about 40% cheaper.

That's also not taking into account that the Yeti is a 200k+mi car now so will probably need replacing at some point in the next few years anyway. We're not sure of our own plans longer term but the right car at the right price is worth the capital expenditure to us on balance.

We're not expecting it to be as economical as the Ioniq, but a car of that size is necessary for us for other reasons (mainly so I can use it as a van a few times a month) and it does look overall like it potentially fits the needs really well.

Sounds like a good plan. And going all BEV, plus PV and batts, is a significant change to a household, bet you're looking forward to it.

michaels

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

EV Database suggests 185 for winter highway range for the Eniyaq and having driven an ID4 that sounds realistic to me.  Sounds like it is a bit of a pain for you to swap cars for charging if you have to move them rather than just swapping the charger over.

That's at -10C, and I assume 100% of the miles will not be at motorway speeds.

We drove an id4 180 miles on mix of motorway and A roads at 55-70 mph at about 8c and stopped for a charge, it might just have made 220.  Had it been all motorway and zero degrees I suspect we would have made a fair bit less, especially as we did not use the heating to save range.

The crucial numbers here are 70 and 90 miles, so I think ~200 to 240 miles provides a significant enough buffer.

I thought the detail was whether charging every other night on rotation was sufficient and 2 x 90 if it is all motorway is starting to get tight - having to drive to make the range - which could get annoying on a daily commute.

CKhalvashi

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

EV Database suggests 185 for winter highway range for the Eniyaq and having driven an ID4 that sounds realistic to me.  Sounds like it is a bit of a pain for you to swap cars for charging if you have to move them rather than just swapping the charger over.

That's at -10C, and I assume 100% of the miles will not be at motorway speeds.

We drove an id4 180 miles on mix of motorway and A roads at 55-70 mph at about 8c and stopped for a charge, it might just have made 220.  Had it been all motorway and zero degrees I suspect we would have made a fair bit less, especially as we did not use the heating to save range.

The crucial numbers here are 70 and 90 miles, so I think ~200 to 240 miles provides a significant enough buffer.

It's the 130 that can be an Ioniq problem at the moment in certain conditions, Gatwick is a nightmare to get to from home.

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

We have cheap-ish charging at certain times of the day, working on solar+battery at the moment but due to external issues that's becoming quite a drawn out process. Paying even the higher rate should based on my calculations work out at a slightly lower electricity cost vs the diesel going into the Yeti, and that's assuming a worst case motorway drive in winter conditions. Using the EV database numbers we'd hope that it'd be about 40% cheaper.

That's also not taking into account that the Yeti is a 200k+mi car now so will probably need replacing at some point in the next few years anyway. We're not sure of our own plans longer term but the right car at the right price is worth the capital expenditure to us on balance.

We're not expecting it to be as economical as the Ioniq, but a car of that size is necessary for us for other reasons (mainly so I can use it as a van a few times a month) and it does look overall like it potentially fits the needs really well.

Sounds like a good plan. And going all BEV, plus PV and batts, is a significant change to a household, bet you're looking forward to it.

It's long overdue. The technology is here and adequate for our needs, so it's exciting but we're not as worries as many people may be in this case.

We try to stay one step ahead of the curve always (we're making strategic long term investments now in something we think is going to become very investment friendly later for example, but there's a lot of risk with this) but on energy efficiency we feel to an extent we are trying to catch up, which isn't good for the environment or the future but hopefully will be when we have finished the transition.

Martyn1981

CKhalvashi said:

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

EV Database suggests 185 for winter highway range for the Eniyaq and having driven an ID4 that sounds realistic to me.  Sounds like it is a bit of a pain for you to swap cars for charging if you have to move them rather than just swapping the charger over.

That's at -10C, and I assume 100% of the miles will not be at motorway speeds.

We drove an id4 180 miles on mix of motorway and A roads at 55-70 mph at about 8c and stopped for a charge, it might just have made 220.  Had it been all motorway and zero degrees I suspect we would have made a fair bit less, especially as we did not use the heating to save range.

The crucial numbers here are 70 and 90 miles, so I think ~200 to 240 miles provides a significant enough buffer.

It's the 130 that can be an Ioniq problem at the moment in certain conditions, Gatwick is a nightmare to get to from home.

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Martyn1981 said:

CKhalvashi said:

Can I just ask if there's anyone here with an Enyaq who could possibly share their experience? Equally, is there anyone here with 2 EVs doing reasonably high mileages sharing a 7kWh charger? My commute is about 90mi round trip, hers is about 70mi (but 130mi of almost all motorway 3-4 times a month) if that helps, but it looks doable to us, especially as I have access to work-based charging if necessary.

OH may be able to get an 18-ish month old '80' version at a price we're happy with to possibly replace the Yeti (this car hasn't been advertised and we know the history of it and there is a genuine reason for sale).

Thanks for any pointers anyone here can give .

I suspect you'd be fine too. Are you on a cheap rate tariff, thus limiting the daily charge time you'd prefer to stick too?

Looking at your figures, that's a potential combined mileage (for a day) of 160 miles, and a 7kW charger over 7hrs of cheap rate is ~50kWh, so 160 miles at 3.2 miles/kWh, worst case.

Tiny bit of planning getting charge up a day or two earlier for one of the cars should work fine. We can use granny charger and 7kW charger, but don't do the mileage you are asking about, plus (as you know) the IONIQ's are extremely frugal, so granny charge for 7hrs can add 60+ miles.

If you don't have any cheap rate restrictions, then you won't have any problems, you could charge one car from say 6pm to 10/11ish, then swap over before bed.

Just thinking, but the Enyaq 80 should be good for ~200 to 250 miles of range, so you have plenty of time (other days) to plan ahead and get the charge up.

We have cheap-ish charging at certain times of the day, working on solar+battery at the moment but due to external issues that's becoming quite a drawn out process. Paying even the higher rate should based on my calculations work out at a slightly lower electricity cost vs the diesel going into the Yeti, and that's assuming a worst case motorway drive in winter conditions. Using the EV database numbers we'd hope that it'd be about 40% cheaper.

That's also not taking into account that the Yeti is a 200k+mi car now so will probably need replacing at some point in the next few years anyway. We're not sure of our own plans longer term but the right car at the right price is worth the capital expenditure to us on balance.

We're not expecting it to be as economical as the Ioniq, but a car of that size is necessary for us for other reasons (mainly so I can use it as a van a few times a month) and it does look overall like it potentially fits the needs really well.

Sounds like a good plan. And going all BEV, plus PV and batts, is a significant change to a household, bet you're looking forward to it.

It's long overdue. The technology is here and adequate for our needs, so it's exciting but we're not as worries as many people may be in this case.

We try to stay one step ahead of the curve always (we're making strategic long term investments now in something we think is going to become very investment friendly later for example, but there's a lot of risk with this) but on energy efficiency we feel to an extent we are trying to catch up, which isn't good for the environment or the future but hopefully will be when we have finished the transition.

Yep, 130 motorway miles would be the limit for ours, in good weather, so poor weather, even for the 38kWh would be squeaky bum time.

For Wifey and I, whilst we don't do a lot of mileage, we do choose which car we take (if both need a car at the same time) on the basis of range, so obviously the longer range vehicle for the longer trip - though I do try to find a way to 'need' the Tesla. 

Hard to believe, just a decade ago, that some households would be able to power some of their leccy, heating and transport from a 'power station' on their roof. Boy how times are changing.

Edit - and hopefully these changes will get easier and more affordable in the near(ish) future, allowing the majority to take part and enjoy.

CKhalvashi

We shall own an Enyaq in about 20 days (a colleague of OH's is moving base for upgrade necessitating a move from the UK).

On the day I'll drive her over, she'll transfer him the money, he's going to call and pay the finance off on it (it's on a traditional HP with about £14k to pay) and then she'll take the car home once the formalities are sorted. I assume that's how you do private car sales these days and seems pretty sensible to me. She doesn't need any financing on it and there's little in tax benefits to doing anything but a private purchase.

thevilla

CKhalvashi said:

We shall own an Enyaq in about 20 days (a colleague of OH's is moving base for upgrade necessitating a move from the UK).

On the day I'll drive her over, she'll transfer him the money, he's going to call and pay the finance off on it (it's on a traditional HP with about £14k to pay) and then she'll take the car home once the formalities are sorted. I assume that's how you do private car sales these days and seems pretty sensible to me. She doesn't need any financing on it and there's little in tax benefits to doing anything but a private purchase.

Probably teaching granny to suck eggs, sorry, but don't forget to tax it

Grumpy_chap

Tesla Model S and Model X apparently discontinued in right-hand drive but still available in left-hand drive versions.
I can't provide a link as I am not sure it was reliable (click-bait on wife's phone), but thought I'd mention in case anyone knows more.
If there is truth behind this, then this is not a discussion item but a news item.

CKhalvashi

thevilla said:

CKhalvashi said:

We shall own an Enyaq in about 20 days (a colleague of OH's is moving base for upgrade necessitating a move from the UK).

On the day I'll drive her over, she'll transfer him the money, he's going to call and pay the finance off on it (it's on a traditional HP with about £14k to pay) and then she'll take the car home once the formalities are sorted. I assume that's how you do private car sales these days and seems pretty sensible to me. She doesn't need any financing on it and there's little in tax benefits to doing anything but a private purchase.

Probably teaching granny to suck eggs, sorry, but don't forget to tax it

Definitely no!

It's insured from June 1 now anyway.

It always makes me laugh with the Ioniq that you must tax a car with £0 tax rate.

Grumpy_chap said:

Tesla Model S and Model X apparently discontinued in right-hand drive but still available in left-hand drive versions.
I can't provide a link as I am not sure it was reliable (click-bait on wife's phone), but thought I'd mention in case anyone knows more.
If there is truth behind this, then this is not a discussion item but a news item.

There can't be many RHD markets for that type of car, so not overly surprising.

The market must be smaller now than before with the TM3 and TMY out.

It appears there may also be a difference between EU and non-EU spec Teslas also, Ukrainian friend wanted to register her TMY Italy last year and they needed evidence for something that it was Polish-spec and not UA, despite the fact the first registration date is a few months before the first official UA deliveries. It definitely wasn't tax as this was sorted as a company to company transaction for VAT (sale from UA to IT company) and import duty is currently 0% on such vehicles.

I remember posting about the car at the time, it's the same car.

silvercar

Grumpy_chap said:

Tesla Model S and Model X apparently discontinued in right-hand drive but still available in left-hand drive versions.
I can't provide a link as I am not sure it was reliable (click-bait on wife's phone), but thought I'd mention in case anyone knows more.
If there is truth behind this, then this is not a discussion item but a news item.

Seems to be true. Lots of people with confirmed orders are reporting on Tesla owners Facebook groups that they have had an email saying the same. Being offered a refund of all money paid or a RHD. Insurance on a LHD seems expensive enough, I hate to think what insurance on a LHD would be!