EV range

DrEskimo

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

MouldyOldDough

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

£10 doesn’t get you much petrol though. 

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

£10 doesn’t get you much petrol though. 

True - all I am saying is that an initial reason to buy an EV is out of the window 

MouldyOldDough

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

DrEskimo

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

There will need to be serious service provision to ensure people can charge where they currently already leave their car. Whether this is using car parks where you are already parking (like work car parks or shopping centres) or on-street charging, either using existing street furniture of installing bespoke chargers. You charge for what you need, so will be instances where you don't even have to charge.

The ideal would be that you would do no more than you already currently do with your car (in terms or walking or waiting), except plug in a cable when you park, and unplug it when you leave. Unlike rapid chargers, the 7kW charge cables are relatively light.

Jenni_D

There's someone on YouTube (he needs sticks to be able to walk) who goes around various charging locations and assesses them for ease of use by disabled people.

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

Those without access to charging at home will need to charge somewhere, yes. But realistically unless you only go on long drives to nowhere or short stops, you should be able to keep charged up from your destination. 

For example, a 10 mile round trip to a supermarket will need the cat to be plugged in for about 25 mins at 8kw. Not many people can do a weekly shop faster than especially with mobility problems. 

Now, accessibility is definitely an issue, but it shouldn't be harder to plug in an EV than use a liquid pump. But the EV bays aren't as accessible and it's not as easy for a carer to pop down and fill up. There are companies working on automated hook ups which will make life a lot easier.


I still think you're looking for problems that, and the amount of reaching you need to find these tenuous points highlights how far EVs have come.

Grumpy_chap

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes.
You have the quiet operation and the better energy efficiency so, even if the cost saving is eliminated, the planet will thank you.

Martyn1981 said:

I was pondering exactly the same as you, that at 85p the cost per mile is about the same as a petrol car. 

That's interesting that you've worked that out.
I did the very detailed calculations on that before COVID when I was weighing up the options for changing to an EV and the cost then for public charging was almost the same pence per mile as petrol car.
I have said before in the forums, possibly even in this thread, I suspect the EV charge points do that calculation and set their costs to be close to the petrol cost per mile for energy to power the car.

Martyn1981

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

Those without access to charging at home will need to charge somewhere, yes. But realistically unless you only go on long drives to nowhere or short stops, you should be able to keep charged up from your destination. 

For example, a 10 mile round trip to a supermarket will need the cat to be plugged in for about 25 mins at 8kw. Not many people can do a weekly shop faster than especially with mobility problems. 

Now, accessibility is definitely an issue, but it shouldn't be harder to plug in an EV than use a liquid pump. But the EV bays aren't as accessible and it's not as easy for a carer to pop down and fill up. There are companies working on automated hook ups which will make life a lot easier.


I still think you're looking for problems that, and the amount of reaching you need to find these tenuous points highlights how far EVs have come.

But ICE drivers all get to 'charge' up at home ..... don't they?  

MouldyOldDough

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

Those without access to charging at home will need to charge somewhere, yes. But realistically unless you only go on long drives to nowhere or short stops, you should be able to keep charged up from your destination. 

For example, a 10 mile round trip to a supermarket will need the cat to be plugged in for about 25 mins at 8kw. Not many people can do a weekly shop faster than especially with mobility problems. 

Now, accessibility is definitely an issue, but it shouldn't be harder to plug in an EV than use a liquid pump. But the EV bays aren't as accessible and it's not as easy for a carer to pop down and fill up. There are companies working on automated hook ups which will make life a lot easier.


I still think you're looking for problems that, and the amount of reaching you need to find these tenuous points highlights how far EVs have come.

But ICE drivers all get to 'charge' up at home ..... don't they?  

 Incorrect - only those with a parking space, close to the property can charge 

Martyn1981

MouldyOldDough said:

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Jenni_D said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

You can be sure that the others will follow... 

You're still missing the point that even those without home charging, they rarely rely on rapid chargers as the sole means of charging the car.

When I ran my EV for over a year with no home charger, I used a slower charger (7kW) at the car park up the road, or the one at my work car park. I did this for times where I could leave the car for a few hours (as a car does for most of life...).

These have gone up from around £0.15-£0.25/kWh to £0.25-£0.35/kWh. They never charge as much as rapid charger units.

So - those without home chargers will be expected to find a lampost ot rely on service / petrol stations / shopping centres etc (paying unknown rates) and leave their valuable cars, plugged in for 6 ((or more) hours... What about those with disabilities (I count myself in this category) who struggle to even walk a few paces, how do they physically pliug in their cables and are they supposed to sit in their cars for the full charging time ?

At least with most petrol filling stations - there is help avallable

Those without access to charging at home will need to charge somewhere, yes. But realistically unless you only go on long drives to nowhere or short stops, you should be able to keep charged up from your destination. 

For example, a 10 mile round trip to a supermarket will need the cat to be plugged in for about 25 mins at 8kw. Not many people can do a weekly shop faster than especially with mobility problems. 

Now, accessibility is definitely an issue, but it shouldn't be harder to plug in an EV than use a liquid pump. But the EV bays aren't as accessible and it's not as easy for a carer to pop down and fill up. There are companies working on automated hook ups which will make life a lot easier.


I still think you're looking for problems that, and the amount of reaching you need to find these tenuous points highlights how far EVs have come.

But ICE drivers all get to 'charge' up at home ..... don't they?  

 Incorrect - only those with a parking space, close to the property can charge 

I had no idea that was possible, so how many households with a parking space can 'charge' their ICE at home then?