EV range

Bonniepurple

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

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This is why I don't want an EV

Even if you live rurally with poor infrastructure an EV can be fine. 

Maybe you should live somewhere more civilized

I live rurally, albeit next to a town with a train station. It's got 20 chargers. 

You're naturally still deliberately missing the point that very few EV owners actually need to use public chargers. 

Even then, a daily mail fake hysteria 16miles between chargers are a non issue given that most EVs have a range of over 100 miles, or not far off the average weekly mileage.

The police cars bit was picked up from an article written by the Gloucestershire Police and Crime Commissioner.  When Gloucestershire first got an EV, they discovered that it couldn’t cope with headlights, windscreen wipers AND blues and twos - and ran out of charge quickly.  That was several years ago.  Things have improved since.  What is clearly still an issue though is that rural chargers are few and far between and criminals tend not to take police on chases that end up at said chargers!  Saying that, I live in rural Gloucestershire and have yet to see a police car on the side of the road out of battery.

The battery life of a police car is a moot point for most people as they aren’t going to be using blues and twos on their own vehicles.

Herzlos

Police cars are definitely a special case; they have a whole load of extra equipment (power draw and weight) and have fairly high-demand random driving patterns. They may have back to back calls at opposing ends of their area. 

For support cars, that don't need the equipment or the emergency response, an EV makes some sense. 

For someone who has a pretty predictable driving pattern, EVs make a lot more sense.

Martyn1981

Herzlos said:

Police cars are definitely a special case; they have a whole load of extra equipment (power draw and weight) and have fairly high-demand random driving patterns. They may have back to back calls at opposing ends of their area. 

For support cars, that don't need the equipment or the emergency response, an EV makes some sense. 

For someone who has a pretty predictable driving pattern, EVs make a lot more sense.

In the US 5+yrs ago, I think it was part of the LA police, possibly trying to meet California targets, they got a load of BMW i3's (I think it was 100?) for use by detectives, who's daily mileage isn't that high. 

Anyway they quickly found out that they didn't have the range for many occasions, especially with highway driving, as use could vary from short daily use, to long days travelling all over. They got mothballed, before being deployed to services, such as forensic teams, who operate a single use / return to base role.

I think they ended up selling a lot off cheap.

So it goes to show, that if the wrong BEV, is chosen for the wrong role, then it will fail. But that's not a reflection on BEV's in general, just bad choice, possibly due to a lack of understanding at the time. The i3 Rx would have worked, though in large organisations, you run the risk that Rx's and PHEV's might not get plugged in much / at all.

I'm sure the detectives would have loved long range TM3's.

Early days, and 'horses for courses' springs to mind.

Petriix

Rural public chargers are only really relevant for people visiting that area from far away. Anything under a 300 mile round trip and I'm not too concerned about charging at my destination as I can simply find a rapid charger somewhere on my way home if necessary.

I do, however, tend to look out for places with good charging options and plan trips where I know charging won't be a problem. That means I will shun places that don't have good enough facilities and be drawn to the sites which have made the effort.

That's no loss to me, I'm flexible enough about where I go. If companies want to keep my business then they need to adapt. Airbnb have a filter to only show accommodation with EV charging, and Just Park have similar. There are also various services for people sharing their home charging facilities. 

MouldyOldDough

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

ididgetwhereiamtoday

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

MouldyOldDough

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Flight3287462

And that's before they add on some sort of fuel/road duty which EVs are currently getting a pass on.

Jenni_D

MouldyOldDough said:

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes, far superior.

So where is the cost saving now.? 

Don't use the Shell rapid chargers. 🙄

CKhalvashi

MouldyOldDough said:

Shell are now charging 85p per kWh for rapid charging
Still think that EV's are superior to ICE's? 

Yes.

My car has only ever been rapid charged once (not at home to tell you the mileage but it's 34-ish k.

Average cost per kWh for me is around 14.5p, not 85p. It would still on a motorway be about the same price as a petrol Focus/Astra (of a similar size) but significantly cleaner.