The big fat Electric Vehicle bashing thread.

Flight3287462

yessuz said:

Thrugelmir said:

Low interest rates were only ever intended to be temporary. The BOE would ideally like to see base rate eventually return to the 3.5% - 4.5% range. Events over the other side of the pond are likely to dictate what other Central Banks do globally.  There's significant increases already pencilled in for 2022.  

so when it will happen - then let's talk. again, EXACTLY SAME ARGUMENTS are here for last 10 years.

It's already happening mortgage rates in US are already 5.3%

dipsomaniac

I do around 200 miles per month in the focus.  I cycle or use my motorbike if I need to go out during the rush 2 hours.  I don't live in an area which has a congestion charge

Petriix

Nightmare journey in the EV today. Left Norwich fully charged, 175 miles to Brighton. The satnav showed there was a massive delay on the A11/M11 so we bit the bullet and went down the A140/A12. Traffic was moderate and there were a few sections of roadworks. I considered holding back on the dual carriageway but decided to stick to 70mph where possible.

There were a number of charging options but we decided to wait until the kids (or dog) needed to stop. But they didn't need to stop at all. I figured that I could just slow down if necessary. The battery was dropping pretty slowly so we just kept on going, arriving with 16% remaining.

Then we had to find somewhere to charge. Turns out there are charging points on all the streets round here. A quick check on Zap-Map and we found one just one street away from where we're staying. Had to download an app and load up a credit card but it started working right away. Parking is free overnight but the charge will cost about £10.

The alternative was to pay £7 to park at Hove Station and charge for free, but the 'day' ends at 4am so we'd either have to pay twice or move the car late at night. Either that or make a couple of trips to the Tesco stores in the area. We opted for convenience over thrift.

The whole return journey will cost about £12.50 so a whopping 3.5p per mile - more than 3x my average.

Oh wait, it wasn't a nightmare at all. 

Benny2020

You just described the stress of the journey, your anxiety over range and the faf caused by parking and charging, it sounds like a nightmare to me?

yessuz

dipsomaniac said:

Petriix said:

People keep going on about the purchase price as if it's an absolute limiting factor. But anyone with access to sufficient credit isn't limited in that way. If you're only paying 2% interest on that £20k, it's just £33 per month. if you're saving £100 on fuel then you can factor in the cost of the interest. For me, running a £23k EV has been cheaper than running a £200 banger.

You are either Warren buffet or Elon musk.

Can you explain more how a £23k car is cheaper to run than a £200 car for the rest of us?

How much is a headlight bulb on your 23k ev?

you NEVEr change it because it's LED.
There literally NO servicing.

yessuz

Benny2020 said:

All of the materials in Batteries are increasing in price substantially so how will battery prices fall?
I am invested heavily in Lithium, Nickel and Copper.
A few weeks ago the world actually ran out of stocks of Nickel and trading was halted after a massive spike in price, even now there is barely any buffer between mines and supply.

Nickel price spiked not because of lack of stock - it was pure market manipulation by shorting chinese company

yessuz

Benny2020 said:

You just described the stress of the journey, your anxiety over range and the faf caused by parking and charging, it sounds like a nightmare to me?

well, the faf with parking and "stress of the journey" would be more or less same with ICE.. range anxiety? not seen one in his post.

ComicGeek

dipsomaniac said:

I do around 200 miles per month in the focus.  I cycle or use my motorbike if I need to go out during the rush 2 hours.  I don't live in an area which has a congestion charge

That's significantly below the average mileage. I don't think many would argue that you would be better off replacing your existing car with an EV at the moment, but at some point those older ICEs are going to be rarer, cost more to maintain as parts are rarer, and cost more to run and fuel as prices increase - that might be in 20 years time so you probably won't need to even consider it for a long time.

With 32 million cars registered in the UK it's going to be a significant period before these are replaced with EVs, even if a pre covid new car supply rate of 2.3M/yr is comprised of 100% EVs (not going to happen, with 190,000 EVs registered in 2021 and new car production suppressed at the moment).

There are only around 400,000 EVs in the UK at the moment, with 42,000 public charge points. The reality at the moment is that there are ample charge points for the current level of EVs - the charging infrastructure growth is likely to exceed the demand for quite a while until new car production ramps up. It's a great time to have an EV - those who bought an EV a few years ago were very brave, but I honestly think we'll look back at the current period as the perfect timing of tax breaks, wide range of EVs, some free public charging (22kW at our Tesco store) and good public charging provision relative to number of EVs on the road.

Martyn1981

Petriix said:

Nightmare journey in the EV today. Left Norwich fully charged, 175 miles to Brighton. The satnav showed there was a massive delay on the A11/M11 so we bit the bullet and went down the A140/A12. Traffic was moderate and there were a few sections of roadworks. I considered holding back on the dual carriageway but decided to stick to 70mph where possible.

There were a number of charging options but we decided to wait until the kids (or dog) needed to stop. But they didn't need to stop at all. I figured that I could just slow down if necessary. The battery was dropping pretty slowly so we just kept on going, arriving with 16% remaining.

Then we had to find somewhere to charge. Turns out there are charging points on all the streets round here. A quick check on Zap-Map and we found one just one street away from where we're staying. Had to download an app and load up a credit card but it started working right away. Parking is free overnight but the charge will cost about £10.

The alternative was to pay £7 to park at Hove Station and charge for free, but the 'day' ends at 4am so we'd either have to pay twice or move the car late at night. Either that or make a couple of trips to the Tesco stores in the area. We opted for convenience over thrift.

The whole return journey will cost about £12.50 so a whopping 3.5p per mile - more than 3x my average.

Oh wait, it wasn't a nightmare at all. 

Hiya, just interested in all the little details. Can you say what the on-street parking/charging was, and the KW's? Sounds like a promising development.

Sorry to hear about the trauma of the trip, hope the sleepless nights ease off soon. Plus the recovery time from driving 350 miles with so little NVH.  

PS - One-pedal driving?

Herzlos

Benny2020 said:

You just described the stress of the journey, your anxiety over range and the faf caused by parking and charging, it sounds like a nightmare to me?

He said he had loads of opportunity to stop and charge but decided to press on without even needing to drive slower. Doesn't sound that anxious to me