Private driveway

Lindsey006

So I have come home from work to find the UKPC signs up. 90 mins free parking and then a fine of £100 reduced to £60 for speedy payment. Currently 5 out of the 20 spaces being used, all within bays at the moment, it is usually much busier than this. Free road parking outside the car park which is no real surprise, and that is quite busy. Here we go! Are PCNs actually physically put on the cars or is it all done remotely? I have shut the gate across my driveway and will get some signs saying private. It is clearly separate but then there can be no misunderstanding. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Boat_to_Bolivia

Still a pain for you having to install a gate. I suppose at least they've not installed ANPR cameras! Yet!

Looks like the road is going to get busier with parked cars and when more people stop using the car park, UKPC will be chucking their scam invoices around like confetti in the hope someone bites

Lindsey006

Thank you to everyone who has posted, you have all certainly helped me take action and not feel quite so out of my depth with it all. I really appreciate the comments and suggestions. Will the council do anything, who knows. The font is quite small on the signs, no way can you read all of that before driving in to the car park. I will keep you all posted, and will look at moped drivers lurking behind trees in particular from now on! Can I stop to open my driveway gate or will that be classed as parking? I will find out I guess in due course. 

Half_way

Are PCNs actually physically put on the cars or is it all done remotely?

It can be a bit of both, if you are feeling like showing a little community spirit and you spot a vehicle defaced with a  yellow sticker, you can always add  a little bit onto it ( ie a mini flyer) telling people that this is not a fine, and while they must not ignore it to come to here for advice on how to deal with it

Boat_to_Bolivia

Half_way said:

Are PCNs actually physically put on the cars or is it all done remotely?

It can be a bit of both, if you are feeling like showing a little community spirit and you spot a vehicle defaced with a  yellow sticker, you can always add  a little bit onto it ( ie a mini flyer) telling people that this is not a fine, and while they must not ignore it to come to here for advice on how to deal with it

Great idea 

Coupon-mad

90 mins free parking will be detected only by ANPR.  Someone has lied to you.

Not only that, because of the way ANPR 'works' you and your neighbours will get postal PCNs every week for driving in and out twice in 24 hours. It's called a double dip and the ANPR camera will see you on a Monday and Tuesday and accuse you of staying overnight.

This will happen to you every week; maybe every 48 hours.  Forever.  And all your visitors will be picked up too and if they visit you longer than 90 minutes they will all get a PCN too.

I would send the landowner and the owner of UKPC a final notice that you specifically object to the ANPR system which is known to have a 'double dip' error which takes two drive-pasts in 24 hours as one long stay.  A default flaw that you know will result in PCNs and you absolutely refuse to allow this and refuse to be forced to hand over your VRMs of yourself and all visitors to exempt yourselves. That's wholly unreasonable and akin to asking permission to access your own property and have any visitors.

As such, you will as an interim measure, pursue the landowner for a reasonable but nominal £50 'per PCN' in damages for distress, time and trouble every time you have to handle a PCN.

This is fair notice of your objection, distress and intentions to charge for damages, and their agreement to this will be by conduct, if the landowner continues to let their notorious ex-clamper agent let this happen.

If it becomes an ongoing problem, as anticipated and warned about already, then you will also get a solicitor to file an injunction and will seek further damages for the cost of the legal work and the enormous likely detrimental effect on your house price and saleability.

And you will now complain to the ICO the minute the ANPR camera system goes in.

You might want to get together with the other neighbours and just prevent it with a solicitors' letter threatening an injunction.

You might want to check your home insurance; if you have free legal cover USE IT NOW.

Lindsey006

I am hoping to avoid ANPR cameras; the 3 houses involved joined together to say we would fight the interference with our rights of way and the landowner said he did not want any trouble like that so would go for a visiting patrol, but yes UKPC have convinced him that this will earn money. To be honest I don’t trust either of them and still worry that cameras will arrive sooner or later. The motor trader originally causing an issue for the landowner has in the meantime disappeared.

Boat_to_Bolivia

As CM says, without ANPR how can they monitor who has stayed over 90 minutes?

Unfortunately, I don't think the landlord knows what he's done and UKPC will be pulling the strings to earn money for them..not him!

Coupon-mad

This will be ANPR.  The cameras will arrive this week.

Look at your home insurance as I said.  Kill it now with a solicitors' letter.

J63320

Lindsey006 said:

…. UKPC have convinced him that this will earn money. ….

This might be a silly question, but here goes: if the offer is 90 minutes free parking - i.e. no charge is made for the actual parking - then where is this money going to come from, other than from PCNs?