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People crossing the road at junctions
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Pedestrian crossings have feelings too.zagfles said:It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.
The one by the church is called Timothy.
The one by the school is Catherine.
Near the railway station, she is called Samantha.
The busy crossing in the High Street is called Elizabeth.
Crossings are not all the same and we must respect their individuality
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There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
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Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be driving
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That is obviously not a Pelican, for at least two reasons.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be driving
1. It does not have the mandatory zig-zag markings
2. It has an advanced stop line and "cycle box" which are permitted only at junctions.
The lights are primarily for controlling the junction: the presence of a give-way line after the stop line does not change that.4 -
Car_54 said:
That is obviously not a Pelican, for at least two reasons.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be driving
1. It does not have the mandatory zig-zag markings
2. It has an advanced stop line and "cycle box" which are permitted only at junctions.
The lights are primarily for controlling the junction: the presence of a give-way line after the stop line does not change that.OK, so how would you handle that junction differently if you think it shouldn't be called a pelican, compared someone who thinks it should? Obviously I need to know urgently as "some" might say I shouldn't be driving for giving it the wrong name. Not you, obviously.I won't drive again until I know as I'm clearly a danger on the roads.
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zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be drivingI don't think it is a Pelican crossing, it is called something like a "pedestrian facility at a signal controlled junction"Pelican, Puffin, Toucan and Pegasus are stand alone crossings with the zig zags on the roads I'm fairly sure.A Pelican has a fixed crossing time with a flashing amber phase, Puffins don't have one, or need it as they sense when there are pedestrians on the crossing.I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science)1 -
Ah ha! Thank you, that's explains it. I got a vowel wrong!facade said:zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be drivingI don't think it is a Pelican crossing, it is called something like a "pedestrian facility at a signal controlled junction"
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I can't answer that, as I have no idea what someone who clearly could not meet the requirements to have a UK licence would do.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
That is obviously not a Pelican, for at least two reasons.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be driving
1. It does not have the mandatory zig-zag markings
2. It has an advanced stop line and "cycle box" which are permitted only at junctions.
The lights are primarily for controlling the junction: the presence of a give-way line after the stop line does not change that.OK, so how would you handle that junction differently if you think it shouldn't be called a pelican, compared someone who thinks it should? Obviously I need to know urgently as "some" might say I shouldn't be driving for giving it the wrong name. Not you, obviously.I won't drive again until I know as I'm clearly a danger on the roads.
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Thought not. I'm going to call it Elizabeth from now on, I might lose my licence for such a dangerous thought crime but I like living on the edge.Car_54 said:
I can't answer thatzagfles said:Car_54 said:
That is obviously not a Pelican, for at least two reasons.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
There are other important differences. Maybe a re-read of the Highway Code would help?zagfles said:
It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.Car_54 said:
Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving.zagfles said:Car_54 said:
As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.zagfles said:Bigphil1474 said:It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button.Or someone crossing quickly.Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.
Not me, obviously.So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be driving
1. It does not have the mandatory zig-zag markings
2. It has an advanced stop line and "cycle box" which are permitted only at junctions.
The lights are primarily for controlling the junction: the presence of a give-way line after the stop line does not change that.OK, so how would you handle that junction differently if you think it shouldn't be called a pelican, compared someone who thinks it should? Obviously I need to know urgently as "some" might say I shouldn't be driving for giving it the wrong name. Not you, obviously.I won't drive again until I know as I'm clearly a danger on the roads.
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zagfles said:So tell me, if I think this crossing which the car on the left is driving over is a "pelican", because it has a marked pedestrian crossing and push buttons for pedestrians, and the road junction is the give way slighty further on, does that mean I shouldn't be driving? If you think it isn't a pelican, maybe you shouldn't be drivingI would say it is a PEDEXNo new Pelican crossings could be installed in England after 2016.
I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science)1
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