People crossing the road at junctions

sheramber

JustAnotherSaver said:

sevenhills said:

zagfles said:

Read the introduction to rule H2. It states "At a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning." You don't need to give way to pedestrians if you're going straight on, just if you're turning.

So if you are at a junction turning left, the traffic light is green, but when a pedestrian approaches you need to stop and let them pass?

Never mind that.

I walked a different route home today past a school this dinner time & literally as they pour out of the door they're falling on to a zebra crossing.

Poor drivers. I thought they were going to be there until school was out some 3-4 hours later. Kids stopping in the middle of the crossing shouting back to their mates walking up the pavement away from the direction that kid on the crossing was going to be walking.

Other kids on the crossing just generally clowning around.

That's the problem with todays you can't touch me I can do what I want mentality.

At least they were on the crossing and not spilling out and down the middle of the main road as happens at one school I used to pass.

Grumpy_chap

This was discussed not so long ago - the OP may find this thread interesting read:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6328020/hierarchy-of-road-users-29th-january-2022/p1

daveyjp

Jenni_D said:

zagfles said:

Jenni_D said:

No, they'd rather the kids learned how to properly use the roads and crossings, and showed some respect for others. However we all know that's a forlorn hope. 🙄

Well the reason we have so many pelican crossings is because some motorists don't respect or understand zebra crossings so need a red light to get them to stop. I'd wager far more motorists' time is wasted sat at red lights at pelicans with no-one crossing than is wasted by kids messing around on zebras.

The lights at Pelican crossings aren't on a timer ... someone must have pressed the button.

Not always.

A lot of crossing buttons, especially at complex junctions where timings can't be changed, are to assist people with visual impairment.  They do not give control over when the crossing cycle activates as the crossing cycle happens even if you don't press the button.

 Visually impaired can press the button and then feel the rotating cone under the button box when the crossing cycle is activated.

Car_54

daveyjp said:

Jenni_D said:

zagfles said:

Jenni_D said:

No, they'd rather the kids learned how to properly use the roads and crossings, and showed some respect for others. However we all know that's a forlorn hope. 🙄

Well the reason we have so many pelican crossings is because some motorists don't respect or understand zebra crossings so need a red light to get them to stop. I'd wager far more motorists' time is wasted sat at red lights at pelicans with no-one crossing than is wasted by kids messing around on zebras.

The lights at Pelican crossings aren't on a timer ... someone must have pressed the button.

Not always.

A lot of crossing buttons, especially at complex junctions where timings can't be changed, are to assist people with visual impairment.  They do not give control over when the crossing cycle activates as the crossing cycle happens even if you don't press the button.

 Visually impaired can press the button and then feel the rotating cone under the button box when the crossing cycle is activated.

Jenni D was right. The lights at complex junctions (or indeed any junctions) are not Pelican crossings.

JustAnotherSaver

ontheroad1970 said:

JustAnotherSaver said:

sevenhills said:

zagfles said:

Read the introduction to rule H2. It states "At a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning." You don't need to give way to pedestrians if you're going straight on, just if you're turning.

So if you are at a junction turning left, the traffic light is green, but when a pedestrian approaches you need to stop and let them pass?

Never mind that.

I walked a different route home today past a school this dinner time & literally as they pour out of the door they're falling on to a zebra crossing.

Poor drivers. I thought they were going to be there until school was out some 3-4 hours later. Kids stopping in the middle of the crossing shouting back to their mates walking up the pavement away from the direction that kid on the crossing was going to be walking.

Other kids on the crossing just generally clowning around.

That's the problem with todays you can't touch me I can do what I want mentality.

So you'd like to just be able to run them over if they take too long.  How very cavalier.

politician or barrister, which one are you?

They both like to take something someone says, twist it & spit it out so that it's absolutely not what the person said at all or meant.

But whatever gives you a buzz. Knock yourself out.

zagfles

Bigphil1474 said:

It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button. 

Or someone crossing quickly.

Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!

Car_54

zagfles said:

Bigphil1474 said:

It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button. 

Or someone crossing quickly.

Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!

As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.

zagfles

Car_54 said:

zagfles said:

Bigphil1474 said:

It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button. 

Or someone crossing quickly.

Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!

As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.

Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.

Car_54

zagfles said:

Car_54 said:

zagfles said:

Bigphil1474 said:

It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button. 

Or someone crossing quickly.

Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!

As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.

Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.

Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving. 
Not me, obviously.

zagfles

Car_54 said:

zagfles said:

Car_54 said:

zagfles said:

Bigphil1474 said:

It's usually a case of someone pressing the button, then crossing when there's a break in traffic rather than waiting for the lights to change, or some local scroat has superglued a matchstick or similar to the button. 

Or someone crossing quickly.

Plus some are on a timer, there are a few pelicans near me at major junctions with left turn filters with a give way at the end, but the light stays red for left turners for no other reason than to let pedestrians cross - whether or not anyone has pressed the button!

As already pointed out, those are not Pelican crossings. They are junction lights with a pedestrian phase.

Well, whatever they're called, they have marked pedestrian crossings with a push button which pedestrians can press, but which go red anyway with the phasing on the main lights. The only reason for the red light for left turners is for pedestrians to cross their path, and they go red regardless of whether a pedestrian has actually pressed the button. A zebra would be so much more efficient, in fact the new rules don't even need a zebra, as turning traffic has to give way to pedestrians anyway.

Some might say that if you don't know the difference between a junction and a Pelican Crossing maybe you shouldn't be driving. 
Not me, obviously.

It's a pedestrian crossing on a junction. Call it whatever you want. As long as you understand that a red light means stop it doesn't really matter what you call it.