UKPC- No PCN and £170 invoice from ZZPS debt collectors- What to do???

JustAUser

Fruitcake said:

JustAUser said:

Fruitcake said:

JustAUser said:

Fruitcake said:

Debt collectors are powerless and can safely be ignored. Unless they have used false or misleading wording, you should forget about them.

Concentrate on complaining to the landowner and your MP. Get pics of the signage. Use google streetview as well as they sometimes hold historical images that you can use.

We get a lot of posters saying they never received a PCN, yet they always seem to produce a copy with the date posted, yet never proof of posting.
It's as if more post from PPCs goes accidently missing that any other type of post in the UK. Strange that.

You should also determine if the car park is a railway asset subject to byelaws. I suspect not as most railway (or did you mean bus) stations are not contracted out to UKPC.

Thank you for the advice. Will go back to the area and see if I can grab some pictures- although I am sure if I stay there for 15 minutes, I can expect another ticket!

"We get a lot of posters saying they never received a PCN, yet they always seem to produce a copy with the date posted, yet never proof of posting.
It's as if more post from PPCs goes accidently missing that any other type of post in the UK. Strange that."

Exactly, I am convinced it is basically a scam. No chance of appeal, so either pay or straight to court.

It's definitely a railway station car park to my knowledge. Will double check on the byelaws though...

The key factor is whether the car park is a railway asset. If it is owned by the Train Operating Company (ToC) or whatever the new name is for Network Rail, then it is a railway asset, and therefore it is covered by byelaws.
If it is a privately owned car park that just happens to be next to a railway station, then it won't be a railway asset and byelaws won't apply.

There are a couple of station car parks where a railway asset lies alongside a private one, and sometimes the entrance to the private car park is sneakily via the railway one. People drive into the railway owned car park, see the signs, then drive into the privately owned area and miss the signs because they, quite reasonably, think they are still in a railway owned car park.

UKPC don't normally operate in railway car parks, so sadly I expect this is a private car park, but I will happily be proved wrong.

I see. I am not sure how to check if it is covered by the byelaws. Can you please point me in the right direction? 

Ask the TOC or Network Rail if they own the car park.
Ask the stationmaster.
Ask the council who pays the non-domestic business rates.

Okay, will try all these options, thank you

JustAUser

patient_dream said:

JustAUser said:

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JustAUser said:

UPDATE- I have been given a "Notice of Transfers to Solicitors" letter now. 

Who said that ?    the PPC or the complete idiots ZZPS

Neither. It’s the GCTT 

Same fools, just a different name

Indeed. Will ignore them. Will keep everyone updated. Nothing good will come of this 

JustAUser

UPDATE- So I went back to the site. I found out that the car park is not a railway station car park at all. It is in fact a car park of a private land of some business, however, it is right next to the railway station and it is used by railways users. So byelaws would not apply anyway. 

I went on the land registry to find out the landowners as Green Parking are not co-operating. After paying the fee, I have found out that they belong to a foreign company. 

Is it worth contacting them to complain about this nonsense in hopes that they can cancel the ticket? 

BrownTrout

Green parking and UKPC are not the same firm..

KeithP

JustAUser said:

It is in fact a car park of a private land of some business...

That 'some business' are probably the people you need to contact.
But having said that, are they going to be happy with railway users using their car park?

JustAUser

BrownTrout said:

Green parking and UKPC are not the same firm..

Indeed. UKPC regulate in their car park which I assumed was owned by Green Parking, but they deny this. 

JustAUser

KeithP said:

JustAUser said:

It is in fact a car park of a private land of some business...

That 'some business' are probably the people you need to contact.
But having said that, are they going to be happy with railway users using their car park?

I'll see if I can contact them.

Yes, they're okay with it. I just checked their website and it says that the car park can be used for those shopping in the town centre, or to work or "for those using the station to travel further afield, such as those commuting to London."

JustAUser

UPDATE- I have been given a letter from the solicitors. 

The invoice has gone up to £182.00 

Is it worth complaining to the SRA? 

Coupon-mad

Not at this stage.  SRA won't be interested. There is no breach of standards for demanding what their client wants to demand.  

However, do respond with the usual reply about the DLUHC's new Code banning fake debt recovery 'costs' and state that if a claim is issued with those enhanced/fake costs added, knowing they are banned and branded 'extortion' by the Govt, it will show a lack of good faith and honesty from them and their client.

JustAUser

Coupon-mad said:

Not at this stage.  SRA won't be interested. There is no breach of standards for demanding what their client wants to demand.  

However, do respond with the usual reply about the DLUHC's new Code banning fake debt recovery 'costs' and state that if a claim is issued with those enhanced/fake costs added, knowing they are banned and branded 'extortion' by the Govt, it will show a lack of good faith and honesty from them and their client.

Thank you for your quick reply. 

You say respond, do you mean respond to the solicitors? Or is this something I would add to the defence (when they eventually take me to court as it seems like)?