UKPC- No PCN and £170 invoice from ZZPS debt collectors- What to do???

JustAUser

patient_dream said:

JustAUser said:

UPDATE- I have been given a "Notice of Transfers to Solicitors" letter now. 

Who said that ?    the PPC or the complete idiots ZZPS

Neither. It’s the GCTT 

BrownTrout

Ignore them you need do nothing else 

Umkomaas

JustAUser said:

patient_dream said:

JustAUser said:

UPDATE- I have been given a "Notice of Transfers to Solicitors" letter now. 

Who said that ?    the PPC or the complete idiots ZZPS

Neither. It’s the GCTT 

That's a name I sometimes associate with cases in Scotland. You're not based north of the border by any chance?

Fruitcake

GCTT is a trading name of ZZPS, so it is still safe to ignore them.

The forum regulars cannot stress this enough.

Ignore debt collectors. They are powerless.

Fruitcake

JustAUser said:

Fruitcake said:

JustAUser said:

Fruitcake said:

Debt collectors are powerless and can safely be ignored. Unless they have used false or misleading wording, you should forget about them.

Concentrate on complaining to the landowner and your MP. Get pics of the signage. Use google streetview as well as they sometimes hold historical images that you can use.

We get a lot of posters saying they never received a PCN, yet they always seem to produce a copy with the date posted, yet never proof of posting.
It's as if more post from PPCs goes accidently missing that any other type of post in the UK. Strange that.

You should also determine if the car park is a railway asset subject to byelaws. I suspect not as most railway (or did you mean bus) stations are not contracted out to UKPC.

Thank you for the advice. Will go back to the area and see if I can grab some pictures- although I am sure if I stay there for 15 minutes, I can expect another ticket!

"We get a lot of posters saying they never received a PCN, yet they always seem to produce a copy with the date posted, yet never proof of posting.
It's as if more post from PPCs goes accidently missing that any other type of post in the UK. Strange that."

Exactly, I am convinced it is basically a scam. No chance of appeal, so either pay or straight to court.

It's definitely a railway station car park to my knowledge. Will double check on the byelaws though...

The key factor is whether the car park is a railway asset. If it is owned by the Train Operating Company (ToC) or whatever the new name is for Network Rail, then it is a railway asset, and therefore it is covered by byelaws.
If it is a privately owned car park that just happens to be next to a railway station, then it won't be a railway asset and byelaws won't apply.

There are a couple of station car parks where a railway asset lies alongside a private one, and sometimes the entrance to the private car park is sneakily via the railway one. People drive into the railway owned car park, see the signs, then drive into the privately owned area and miss the signs because they, quite reasonably, think they are still in a railway owned car park.

UKPC don't normally operate in railway car parks, so sadly I expect this is a private car park, but I will happily be proved wrong.

I see. I am not sure how to check if it is covered by the byelaws. Can you please point me in the right direction? 

Ask the TOC or Network Rail if they own the car park.
Ask the stationmaster.
Ask the council who pays the non-domestic business rates.

KeithP

Which railway station are we talking about here?

I did ask that a couple of weeks ago and I thought you answered, but I can't see that reply now.

MothballsWallet

Dummy comment as this forum software remembers draft posts without my permission - will delete soon.

patient_dream

JustAUser said:

patient_dream said:

JustAUser said:

UPDATE- I have been given a "Notice of Transfers to Solicitors" letter now. 

Who said that ?    the PPC or the complete idiots ZZPS

Neither. It’s the GCTT 

Same fools, just a different name

JustAUser

BrownTrout said:

Ignore them you need do nothing else 

Yep, another type of debt collectors I think. Will ignore them 

JustAUser

Umkomaas said:

JustAUser said:

patient_dream said:

JustAUser said:

UPDATE- I have been given a "Notice of Transfers to Solicitors" letter now. 

Who said that ?    the PPC or the complete idiots ZZPS

Neither. It’s the GCTT 

That's a name I sometimes associate with cases in Scotland. You're not based north of the border by any chance?

Nope, the other side pretty much. I’m in the South East