Mortgage free in Forever Home :-)

redofromstart

Oh I know KK, doesn't matter what you do sometimes and I always feel like I've failed the employee and the mangager when it happens but really it isn't up to you (or to HR) to prop anyone up if they no longer have the capability to do the role regardless of the managers support. Such a difficult situation for all concerned. 

redofromstart

I think (and you know that's a qualified experienced think on this subject at least) that you have absolutely done the right thing, informal helpful and supportive before the formal do this or the consequence is. Not nice but potentially fair,reasonable and legal. 

beanielou

Absolutly not your fault.  I thought people had to declare their health conditions when aapplying. 

savingholmes

Sorry about your wedding experience that sounds horrific. 

On the PM - I hated doing them too - but they are unfortunately common and often needed. Definitely view it was you tried the informal approach first but when that didn't yield the required results - you are now going with a documented action plan to support them to improve their performance and to understand what is required. They either rise or they don't -that's on them not you.

KajiKita

Wow, you lot are so lovely. It really helps to share some of this stuff here and get your perspectives. Let’s see if they actually turn up today ….

KK

Brie

KajiKita said:

Wow, you lot are so lovely. It really helps to share some of this stuff here and get your perspectives. Let’s see if they actually turn up today ….

KK

and did they??

KajiKita

Brie said:

KajiKita said:

Wow, you lot are so lovely. It really helps to share some of this stuff here and get your perspectives. Let’s see if they actually turn up today ….

KK

and did they??

Yes. 

The scheduled, hour long meeting, turned into two hours. (I am still not sure what else I missed, I haven’t had time to look …)

They blamed me, told me that people were telling them that they were doing a good job, that they were working their @ss off, that they felt like they didn’t want to come into work any more and so on and so forth …. There was tears and drama. 
They also let slip that this (performance reviews and disciplinaries) has happened in their last two or three jobs …
Once they calmed down and we agreed a (small!) way forward they immediately started talking about, how after college (June 2025) they want my organisation to pay and allow time for them to get a degree! 😳🙄 Right now I don’t even want to let them go back to college next year for the second year of their current course ….! 

I went straight from that to a management meeting where the site manager yelled at all of us for not attending a meeting on Tuesday this week, that started beyond office hours. He threatened us with setting ‘office hours’ if we don’t support these meetings. It was deadly. No one said a word. 

By the time I got past all that, I had a banging headache ….

I have voted. 

We have a functioning bathroom (no flooring, just some ply, but hey at least we don’t have to go again for a shower tonight! 🎉).
Excuse me whilst I find a safe rock to climb under ….

KK

PennysIntoPounds

Blimey, that's quite a day.
So basically the person under you is a lying workshy scrounger, and the person over you is a quasi sociopath who is going to make everyone's lives a misery until you do what he says and actual workers laws can get stuffed.
Time for a new job?!

Well done for getting out and voting, and how brilliant to be able to have a shower in your own home!

Friday tomorrow me dear x

skint_spice

Well the bathroom news is good 😊 

beanielou

Good news on bathroom.
Can only agree it's time for a new job.